That moderate independent sounds about as moderate as Fox News. I want to see the case number referenced and information about the case and the law that was interpretted for no paper trail voting. Usually when the main-stream media doesn’t pick something up and run with it, the decision is not made in fear. It’s because they can’t prove these wild allegations. I’ve said it once and I’ll say it again, I want to see the facts of what happened, not someone’s analysis of what MIGHT have happened. If the republicans did win a legal battle the law was either unambiguous or there was legal precedent as in the case of 2000.
Posted by giantsox on Nov 28, 2004 at 3:34 PM
Sorry about the links… I think this fixed them all…
From VotersUnite: http://www.votersunite.org
Graphic of Country Problems: http://www.votersunite.org/info/mapflyer2004.htm
Graphic of Ohio Problems: http://www.votersunite.org/info/mapflyerohio2004.htm
Kenneth Blackwell
Cincinnati Post Story (remember—a the Post and the Enquirer are conservative leaning papers) http://www.cincypost.com/2004/11/27/ballots112704.html
From the FreePress (please note the Quote from the Conservative Paper Columbus Dispatch that endorsed Bush) http://www.freepress.org/departments/display/19/2004/930
Blackwell Sued over provisional ballot problems http://www.cleveland.com/news/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/cuyahoga/110155142862570.xml
And….In Ohio alone these are the things that have occurred with Kenneth Blackwell
September—Blackwell tries to limit press in polling places http://moritzlaw.osu.edu/electionlaw/comment0928.html
Ruling overturned: http://www.fac.org/news.aspx?id=14295&printer-friendly=y
Provisional Ballot snafu: http://www.wcpo.com/news/2004/local/09/27/ballots_provisional.html
Challenge snafu (this ended up being in favor of Blackwell, but I’m not sure this link does that) http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2004/11/01/election2004/12_39_5111_1_04.txt
Here’s a story in the Columbus Free Press: Document reveals Columbus, Ohio voters waited hours as election officials held back machines http://www.freepress.org/columns/display/3/2004/990
Update to this with Statitical analysis http://www.freepress.org/departments/display/19/2004/914
Voters given wrong information about provisional ballots http://www.freepress.org/departments/display/19/2004/934
Other things… (the paper weight provision was overturned because of public pressure—but there were no doubt some that were returned, etc…) http://www.freepress.org/departments/display/19/2004/810
Posted by kali on Nov 28, 2004 at 9:01 PM
Jesse Jackson In Columbus Ohio
Jackson joins critics of Ohio vote
By John McCarthy
Associated Press
COLUMBUS | Although John Kerry has conceded the election and the Democratic Party is largely on the sidelines, critics of Ohio’s vote count on Nov. 2 have found plenty to gripe about — uncounted punch-card votes, disqualified provisional ballots and too many votes for President Bush.
The Rev. Jesse Jackson said Sunday that the Ohio Supreme Court should consider setting aside Bush’s win in Ohio and that Congress should investigate how Ohioans voted.
Bush defeated Kerry in Ohio by 136,000 votes, according to unofficial results.
“This is about the integrity of the vote. This is not about the Kerry campaign,” said Jackson, who supported the Democrat for president.
On the morning of Nov. 3, less than 12 hours after Ohio’s final votes were cast, Kerry called Bush to congratulate him on his victory.
His campaign figured he would not get enough of the 155,000 provisional ballots, or those cast by voters whose registrations could not be confirmed at polling places, to overtake Bush’s total.
The counting of provisional ballots and wide gaps in vote totals for Kerry and other Democrats on the ballots in certain counties have raised too many questions to let the vote stand without further examination, Jackson said.
“We can live with winning and losing. We cannot live with fraud and stealing,” Jackson said.
Attorney Cliff Arnebeck, who has represented political activist groups, said he would ask the Ohio Supreme Court, probably on Wednesday, to take a look at the election results. If the court decides to hear the case, it can declare a new winner or throw the results out.
(read more…)
http://www.daytondailynews.com/localnews/content/localn…
(You need to sigh up for free subscription.)
Posted by kali on Nov 28, 2004 at 9:09 PM
This article is just practice writing scripts for “B” movies, Right???
Posted by olmon on Nov 28, 2004 at 10:55 PM
Hey Everybody,
If you haven’t seen it yet, you should check out www.chuckherrin.com/hackthevote.htm and hackthevotefaq.htm . It will walk you through exactly how insecure our voting system is. I’ve also posted a couple of primers on dealing with the issues for both parties on my BlogicalOpinions page.
Chuck Herrin
American > Voter > Republican - In that order.
Posted by Chuck on Dec 2, 2004 at 12:36 PM
Nice to see someone state the obvious.
Interesting to see a rightwinger saying that Miller should take his meds (Kim’s post near the beginning). Funny, that’s a page out of Stalin’s playbook.
Posted by Dwight on Jan 12, 2005 at 1:09 PM
We shouldn’t forget or ignore that all this happened with nary a peep out of Kerry, Edwards, or the DNC.
It’s become apparent to me that the ‘bipartisan’ law firm Quinn Gillespie & Associates - which began operating in January 2000, immediately prior to Gore’s run for the presidency - has a great deal to do with the scandalous conduct of the last two presidential elections.
Doesn’t anyone find it strange that in this firm so-called ‘Gore loyalist’ Jack Quinn works in close cahoots with people like Marc Lampkin, Bush’s 2000 deputy campaign manager, one of the leaders of the Florida recount debacle, and Ed Gillespie, head of Bush’s 2004 campaign?
If Quinn was so loyal to Gore, why did he leave Gore to work for Gillespie only ten months before the election? Anyone would think he already knew that Gore was going to let Bush win that coming November.
So this is not just about Republican dirty tricks. It’s also about the dirty Dems who are the Republicans’ best friends. Gore, Kerry and their cronies look, in my view, like a Republican fifth column within the Democratic party.
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That moderate independent sounds about as moderate as Fox News. I want to see the case number referenced and information about the case and the law that was interpretted for no paper trail voting. Usually when the main-stream media doesn’t pick something up and run with it, the decision is not made in fear. It’s because they can’t prove these wild allegations. I’ve said it once and I’ll say it again, I want to see the facts of what happened, not someone’s analysis of what MIGHT have happened. If the republicans did win a legal battle the law was either unambiguous or there was legal precedent as in the case of 2000.
Sorry about the links… I think this fixed them all…
From VotersUnite: http://www.votersunite.org
Graphic of Country Problems: http://www.votersunite.org/info/mapflyer2004.htm
Graphic of Ohio Problems: http://www.votersunite.org/info/mapflyerohio2004.htm
Kenneth Blackwell
Cincinnati Post Story (remember—a the Post and the Enquirer are conservative leaning papers) http://www.cincypost.com/2004/11/27/ballots112704.html
From the FreePress (please note the Quote from the Conservative Paper Columbus Dispatch that endorsed Bush) http://www.freepress.org/departments/display/19/2004/930
Blackwell Sued over provisional ballot problems http://www.cleveland.com/news/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/cuyahoga/110155142862570.xml
And….In Ohio alone these are the things that have occurred with Kenneth Blackwell
September—Blackwell tries to limit press in polling places http://moritzlaw.osu.edu/electionlaw/comment0928.html
Ruling overturned: http://www.fac.org/news.aspx?id=14295&printer-friendly=y
Provisional Ballot snafu: http://www.wcpo.com/news/2004/local/09/27/ballots_provisional.html
Challenge snafu (this ended up being in favor of Blackwell, but I’m not sure this link does that) http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2004/11/01/election2004/12_39_5111_1_04.txt
Here’s a story in the Columbus Free Press: Document reveals Columbus, Ohio voters waited hours as election officials held back machines http://www.freepress.org/columns/display/3/2004/990
Update to this with Statitical analysis http://www.freepress.org/departments/display/19/2004/914
Voters given wrong information about provisional ballots http://www.freepress.org/departments/display/19/2004/934
Other things… (the paper weight provision was overturned because of public pressure—but there were no doubt some that were returned, etc…) http://www.freepress.org/departments/display/19/2004/810
Jesse Jackson In Columbus Ohio
Jackson joins critics of Ohio vote
By John McCarthy
Associated Press
COLUMBUS | Although John Kerry has conceded the election and the Democratic Party is largely on the sidelines, critics of Ohio’s vote count on Nov. 2 have found plenty to gripe about — uncounted punch-card votes, disqualified provisional ballots and too many votes for President Bush.
The Rev. Jesse Jackson said Sunday that the Ohio Supreme Court should consider setting aside Bush’s win in Ohio and that Congress should investigate how Ohioans voted.
Bush defeated Kerry in Ohio by 136,000 votes, according to unofficial results.
“This is about the integrity of the vote. This is not about the Kerry campaign,” said Jackson, who supported the Democrat for president.
On the morning of Nov. 3, less than 12 hours after Ohio’s final votes were cast, Kerry called Bush to congratulate him on his victory.
His campaign figured he would not get enough of the 155,000 provisional ballots, or those cast by voters whose registrations could not be confirmed at polling places, to overtake Bush’s total.
The counting of provisional ballots and wide gaps in vote totals for Kerry and other Democrats on the ballots in certain counties have raised too many questions to let the vote stand without further examination, Jackson said.
“We can live with winning and losing. We cannot live with fraud and stealing,” Jackson said.
Attorney Cliff Arnebeck, who has represented political activist groups, said he would ask the Ohio Supreme Court, probably on Wednesday, to take a look at the election results. If the court decides to hear the case, it can declare a new winner or throw the results out.
(read more…)
http://www.daytondailynews.com/localnews/content/localn…
(You need to sigh up for free subscription.)
This article is just practice writing scripts for “B” movies, Right???
Hey Everybody,
If you haven’t seen it yet, you should check out www.chuckherrin.com/hackthevote.htm and hackthevotefaq.htm . It will walk you through exactly how insecure our voting system is. I’ve also posted a couple of primers on dealing with the issues for both parties on my BlogicalOpinions page.
Chuck Herrin
American > Voter > Republican - In that order.
Nice to see someone state the obvious.
Interesting to see a rightwinger saying that Miller should take his meds (Kim’s post near the beginning). Funny, that’s a page out of Stalin’s playbook.
We shouldn’t forget or ignore that all this happened with nary a peep out of Kerry, Edwards, or the DNC.
It’s become apparent to me that the ‘bipartisan’ law firm Quinn Gillespie & Associates - which began operating in January 2000, immediately prior to Gore’s run for the presidency - has a great deal to do with the scandalous conduct of the last two presidential elections.
Doesn’t anyone find it strange that in this firm so-called ‘Gore loyalist’ Jack Quinn works in close cahoots with people like Marc Lampkin, Bush’s 2000 deputy campaign manager, one of the leaders of the Florida recount debacle, and Ed Gillespie, head of Bush’s 2004 campaign?
If Quinn was so loyal to Gore, why did he leave Gore to work for Gillespie only ten months before the election? Anyone would think he already knew that Gore was going to let Bush win that coming November.
So this is not just about Republican dirty tricks. It’s also about the dirty Dems who are the Republicans’ best friends. Gore, Kerry and their cronies look, in my view, like a Republican fifth column within the Democratic party.
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