Michael Moore is shit, and you guys are worse for believing this phony.
Posted by Mike on Aug 6, 2003 at 11:10 PM
thank you mr moore for standing up when all others sat on their fat arses(me included)while the world burns,you deserve a medal and an honoury knighthood from mrs windsor at bucks palace,one things fer sure you aint gonna get it from bush & co.keep up the good work and tally ho!
Posted by eggman on Aug 9, 2003 at 3:33 PM
thank you mr moore for standing up when all others sat on their fat arses(me included)while the world burns,you deserve a medal and an honoury knighthood from mrs windsor at bucks palace,one things fer sure you aint gonna get it from bush & co.keep up the good work and tally ho!
Posted by eggman on Aug 9, 2003 at 3:33 PM
I think this story is great, Michael Moore is like a hero of the unheard and un-important people all over the world. We are seen as the ones with the demcratic voice of the peole but no-one listens. Protests of all magnitudes fall of deaf ears and blind eyes so when one of us finally makes it to a position where they can speak up, i say Congrats.
Posted by Scott McKenzie on Aug 11, 2003 at 5:12 AM
Thanks to Mr. Moore for speaking the truth and what MOST AMERICANS know is true.
please help us pull out of the media brainwashing that GWBush started.
“”“Not ALL AMERICANS ARE AS STUPID AS BUSH THINKS THEY ARE”“” we cant be afraid to speak out against a sham of a war!
Posted by Lance P. on Aug 12, 2003 at 6:25 AM
As a “Non American” looking back into the Fish Bowl that is America, it is interesting to note - the nay sayers listed below - are the very ones MM’s - Bowling for Columbine -stands to cretique and question. It is without a doubt Mr Moore is a Modern Media Messiah, intelligent enough to question the very democracy that is nothing but communism in a Wolf Suit.
“And as the world fell apart, no one seemed to pay attention” Talking Heads
Posted by H M on Aug 12, 2003 at 7:24 AM
Hi everyone,
I have been following this thread off-and-on since March, and it
has been interesting (to say the least) to monitor the discussions
as they reflect the circumstances
of our world’s affairs at any given time.
I have a few questions for all the Bush supporters out there. I
am asking that, if you choose to
respond, you will do so without
emotional involvement, i.e., please
don’t refer to me as an “a—hole”
or anything similarly derogatory.
1) At this time, it is more than
just an opinion that George W.
Bush became our president because
of the illegal deletion of over 57,000
Florida voters; indeed, it is a proven fact, one that Greg Palast has demonstrated with a number of damning documents and an airtight
defense. How can you support an
administration that has been exposed as having seized power
by fraudulent means?
What arguments can you make
against the existence of legal documents that verify this theft?
2) In order for some of us to
find out about the aforementioned
issue as well as a number of other
equally alarming developments,
Americans had to depend on media sources from other countries in order to get a more accurate and
realistic view of what was happening here in America. The
media coverage during the war
was particularly ludicrous and
one-sided. How can you claim,
then, that the media is biased
towards liberals? Where on earth
is this bias now?
Posted by Andrew Walton on Aug 12, 2003 at 7:11 PM
BRAVO! BRAVO! BRAVO!
Posted by Tom brown on Aug 14, 2003 at 4:59 PM
Andrew,
New York is awesome. I remember the ‘77 blackout and it was a nightmare for the city. This recent one has shown everyone how much the whole city and state have suffered through and how they now come together to help each other out.
And, right on about your comments.
Posted by neil on Aug 19, 2003 at 6:09 AM
Andrew,
I add my BRAVOs…and keep on shining the light! As a fellow New Yorker, I mean that in every possible sense!!!
Best to you!
Posted by lenats on Aug 21, 2003 at 7:18 AM
Thank you, gentlemen!
Posted by Andrew Walton on Aug 21, 2003 at 3:24 PM
I just heard the wonderful news about Fox trying to help Al Franken sell more books. Can you believe
the arrogance and risible hypocrisy of that channel? They’ve more or less become a symbol of how bloated and out-of-touch our far right friends have become since Bush assumed power.
This time, though, they’ve stumbled, making themselves look petty and foolish. I think Franken really upsets these people, possibly because the wounds are still fresh from the embarrassment caused
by Franken’s runaway bestseller,
“Rush Limbaugh is a Big Fat Idiot.”
Whatever the reason, they have
played into Franken’s hands, and the ensuing coverage has been a welcome shot of penicillin for some of us here in the U.S.
Posted by Andrew Walton on Aug 22, 2003 at 6:22 PM
Andrew,
I’ve heard the Fox/Franken story, and it does my heart good to see these arrogant Fox SOB’s stumble. They are no match for Al Franken…he’s miles ahead of them!
Can’t wait to read his book!
Go Al !!!!!
Posted by amolibri on Aug 23, 2003 at 9:40 AM
Michael Moore is a good, brave, and smart man. Those who insult him are cowards and bastards. Moore is only defending what America is suppose to stand for, and not the idiocy and disgusting country that it has become. All those who support the current Administration have their minds set only on money, and have the heart only for themselves. Those who support Moore care for things more then money, and know that we only have one world and we better get it right or no one will be happy. SO FUCK YOU, YOU RIGHT WING, REPUBLICAN, RICH BASTARDS!!!
MOORE FOR PRESIDENT!!!!
Posted by Liz Shinkle on Aug 24, 2003 at 6:01 PM
I am relived to learn tha t wsn’t the hollywood community that booed Mr. Moore but he retard stage hands being told what to do with their mikes. I have yet to see the movie but only because it has been rented ou each and every time I go to the store. I am honored to live in as country where intelligent people can try and make an impact on those who would blindly follow. I live in the Bible Belt and still many are opposed to the fascist puppet we have in the white house, I am disugsted withthe current events and can only hope someone gets the balls to ask Georgie for a resignation on counts of blatnet stupidity and ignorance
Posted by Dan on Aug 26, 2003 at 11:06 AM
You hippies are so full of it. Moorer was booed by a large number of celibrities. Nice spin on the truth. What a surprise once again liberals have out and out lied. You can always content yourselves with the fact that most of America does not agree with your left wing views.
Richard Hoffman
Posted by Richard on Aug 27, 2003 at 2:44 PM
Why do you call him Mr. Bush? He is President Bush. Should we call Clinton Mr. Clinton?
Posted by Richard on Aug 27, 2003 at 2:47 PM
Hi Richard,
I was hoping someone who disagreed with me would join in.
Will you read the 2 questions I posed on 8/12/2003 and share your
thoughts?
Incidentally, I am not a liberal. You
really don’t have to be in order to see that this current administration
is fatally flawed.
Thoughtfully,
Andrew
Posted by Andrew Walton on Aug 27, 2003 at 6:43 PM
My favorite part is how almost all the comments by ‘haters’ are full of spelling and grammar mistakes, and have no logical arguments. “MM is stupid cuz he a lyar and hes a fat commyoonist who shuold go have sex with Sadam Husain. Etc.” Thanks for bolstering our viewpoints, guys. *thumbs up*
Posted by Tucker Cote on Aug 30, 2003 at 8:58 PM
Richard Hoffman, I disagree. We’re 100% right on this point.
And NO FUCKING WAY most of America disagrees with us. Most people I know who were pro-asshole, I mean, pro-Bush and pro-war are now against the war and want him out of office.
We’re right, Hoffman, you’re wrong.
Posted by neil on Aug 31, 2003 at 1:58 AM
Michael Moore has a gift and is not afeared to say what is on his mind, unlike millions of others americans. See Bowling for Columbine. I am surprised by some of the comments from the ignominious below.
Posted by richard watson on Sep 1, 2003 at 6:53 AM
Michael Moore has a gift and is not afeared to say what is on his mind, unlike millions of others americans. See Bowling for Columbine. I am surprised by some of the comments from the ignominious below.
Posted by richard watson on Sep 1, 2003 at 6:54 AM
How old are you, Mr. Hoffman? I suggest you take your blinders off and read…stop watching Fox “news” and read.
Tucker, that is very observant of you…the relative “literacy” of the so-called “neo-cons” is refreshing -(and scary, in a way, since violence is, many times, the m.o. of the incompetent).
Neil from Boise, I’m with you, man. I see how passionate you are…we must act to prevent the reappointment of Mr. Bush. The front lines for me are voter registration drives. MORE people have got to vote…and know that their vote counts. You all on college campuses…please do you part! A new day and a turn around of the economy can happen! We cannot be spectators any longer!
Posted by amolibri on Sep 1, 2003 at 8:50 AM
After many months of research and critical analysis of our present zeitgieist I am pleased with the irony of the turn of events. Who would have thought it possible that a Corporationist flunky who bullied himself into the White House, could within less than three years, unite a so widely disparate spectrum of rational and sane political opponents in despising and denouncing his presidency so that not only has he created a common ground of agreement between these former political antagonists…but has actually realized the creation of this climate by attempting to polarize by intimidation and the politics of fear. By destroying, polluting, and pillaging not only two soveign nations and our own he has accomplished the exact opposite of what he and his masters proposed. He has united Americans against him despite their political predelictions! How Ironic! Let’s all now stand together and impeach him and his henchmen…later we can be REAL Americans again and argue with each other as we must in a free land…We can resume the normal adversarial climate which made this country GREAT…We can once again disagree yet fight to the death for the right to do so.
Posted by Dom on Sep 1, 2003 at 9:05 PM
Excellent point, Dom. The “Corporationists” are unfortunately still in the driver’s seat…see “take back the media” site below.
Unless those who are the ‘anti-corporationists’ band together to expose the ‘corporate MEDIA’...how are we to convey the MESSAGE?
If representative democracy is to work, we must VOTE, and vote in much larger numbers than ever before!
http://www.takebackthemedia.com/thieves.html
Posted by lenats on Sep 2, 2003 at 7:37 AM
Frank Zappa once said, “If you
don’t vote, democracy doesn’t work! Consider the alternative!”
Well said, and I believe we were
given a sample of “the alternative”
when those two trashbags in Florida managed to have almost 57,000 legitimate voters wiped out
from the rolls.
After said crime was exposed by Greg Palast, I recall feeling great despair about the future of voter
turnouts. What better example for people to cite than the tragedy in 2000? “See, it’s all fixed; my vote
doesn’t count.” etc, etc.
Dom, you hit it on the head, though: Bush has made so many enemies and has divided people so acutely in his brief time as “President” that I believe we are going to see a real statement made
next year. I hope so…I HOPE.
Posted by Andrew Walton on Sep 2, 2003 at 5:12 PM
Lenats and Andrew: What I didn’t speak about is the fact that those same Corporationists, whose identies remain, with the aid of our taxdollars and the institutions they pay for, Nebulous, Oz-like entities who, nevertheless can be smoked out of thier bunkers if we the people demand from those institutions, especially intelligence and law enforcement…that they do their duty as our employees and get them into a courtroom for just about every penal infraction imaginable. You see, these would-be gods use our own agencies to sheild them at our expense. Therein lies the rub…because these monomaniacs can bribe our elected representatives they, in effect, own not only their corporations but our taxdollars, so they think. Of course if our intelligence community and law enforcement institutions could be made to realize that the vilest of criminals are not their fellow citizens but those who pull the strings of their bosses…then instead of expanding the penal-industrial complex with mostly the victimless convicted…these real threats to humanity could be tried and convicted easily enough and replace the others with greater justification. Bush is on his way out not because of the rapacious, murderous, Constiution-destroying, mendacious nature of his administration, but because of the arrogant, Racist, bungling and crypto-apocolyptic posturing and New World Order disrupting agenda. Yes, the vote can still weild a mighty sword but unless the candidates have the wherewithal and intestinal fortitude to honestly weed out those of whom I spoke above…Only the masks will be changed-the same tragedy will continue to be played out.
Posted by Dom Mastroserio on Sep 3, 2003 at 10:11 AM
Depressing…but true.
Posted by Andrew Walton on Sep 4, 2003 at 4:29 PM
Many good hearted fellow Americans, when confronted with the truth supported by corroborating evidence usually tell me that, yes, deep down inside they sort of, if not consciously were well aware of the collapse of their country. It’s not a matter of speculation that gas prices are at an all-time high, that these snarling bunglers in power have the bald faced audacity to request another sixty billion for their ongoing bloodshed for profit of the few…most people are well aware of the vast disparity between the hype and their day-to-day struggle for survival. They are very angry, befuddled, humiliated, and in deep denial. Their core problem is usually expressed as a vague hopless helplessness. What do we do now? How do we get these monsters out of our lives? How do we find our way back to the country we thought we once had? I tell them that much of what they were told and believed to be true about their country in the past was mostly posture and propagand used to both sheild and empower the criminals hiding behind their paid-for politicians, judges, and police. I tell them there is no simple, magical formula for righting the floundering ship of state caught in a perfect storm wraught of human greed, psychosis, and lies. But…to fear need not be a bad thing if it can be reformed into an impetus for creative reconstruction instead of a paralyzing, cowardly submisiveness and abrogation of responsibility. I tell them that they are bound to do anything but give in to these monsters. Better to go down with a fight than crawl into a hole only to watch as the situation becomes inextricable. I feel the fear, I sense the helplessness in myself but hey, I know that if I just pretend and keep my mouth shut that they’ll only become more confident in what they can get away with. So…I become like a mosquito and annoy, bite, suck blood, and deposit my venom. A human mosquito is better than a fly caught in a fat spider’s web!
Posted by Dom Mastroserio on Sep 5, 2003 at 4:01 PM
If anyone does not agree with what Michael Moore says they have obviously not ever seen any of his films. They are unaware of how TRUE the stuff he has THOROUGHLY researched is. He is very intelligent and people are just scared of him. Liek they are afraid of everything else. WAKE UP United States! Stop watching the misinforming and fear oriented media. Don’t let corporate America continue to bend you over a repeatedly get you in the ass. People believe what they are told so easily without researching it to back up what they say with facts. This is something MM does, pay attention or you may someday regret it.
Posted by Stephanie on Sep 8, 2003 at 9:07 AM
To whom it may concern,
This article was a great. The Bush/Ashcroft administration may have created a hole that we cannot dig out of. They are taking away our civil liberties. Soon Spielberg’s “Minority Report” will come a reality. We are moving towards Marshall Law as opposed to freedom.
Scott
Posted by Scott Hohne on Sep 13, 2003 at 11:53 AM
Mom,
Please read this article especially Mr. Moore’s actual speech
Posted by Nancy on Sep 22, 2003 at 7:58 AM
conc. database sept. 28
Posted by christi on Sep 28, 2003 at 7:11 AM
I’d like to respond to comments made by Carl Snodgrass and the “fatassbastard” individual. First, Mr. Snodgrass. Being intelligent is not necessarily contingent upon having been educated at an Ivy League university. I know from experience. My stepfather (a former conductor for the Lincoln Symphony Orchestra) attended Yale when he was fifteen but did not know who Tom Cruise was when my family talked about him and his movies over dinner one night. Really, now—how many films has the guy made? If you’re born into the sort of wealth to which Mr. Bush and every member of his family are privy, it’s pretty much official from birth that you’re attending an Ivy League school. I do not think being raised to attend Yale or Princeton means you have greater or fewer credentials to attend than someone who is naturally intelligent who wasn’t born in to wealth. And, anyway—Salem bin-Laden and George W. Bush were founders of the Arbusto Energy oil company in the 70’s. OK, on to “michaelmooreisafatassbastard”. Anyone who uses a handle like that on a message board has to have more time on his/her hands than he/she really needs. For chrissakes, it’s a stupid message board in response to ONE ARTICLE! Anyhow, I notice you use the term “limousine liberal” in your post. First off, not all Greens (which would include Michael Moore)are liberals and not everyone I know who agrees with the Greens in some instances are necessarily liberal. They have many sentiments upon which each disagrees with the other. Again, the use of an ideological slant on the old “slippery slope”. Personally, I’ve never ridden a limousine in my life and I think NPR and many liberals are full of crap. Whatever your real name is, I want you to know that Johnny’s quote from Herman Goering in his post is spot-on—oh, yeah, we Americans are dyed-in-the-wool suckers when it comes to what our leaders telling us how we HAVE to feel about war. We’ll believe anything. I DON’T. Mr. Moore is purely representative of what the facade of this war is versus what is really going on behind the whitewall.
Posted by Jonathan Steinke on Oct 4, 2003 at 11:11 AM
I’m not sure if the last post I wrote was actually sent through to be submitted, so I’ll start over.
I have responses to both Mr. Snodgrass and the “fatassbastard” individual. First, Mr. Snodgrass. One’s intelligence is not entirely contingent upon having been educated at an Ivy League university. I know this from experience. My stepfather (former conductor of the Lincoln Symphony Orchestra) attended Yale when he was 15 but still didn’t know who Tom Cruise was when my family was discussing him and his movies over dinner one night. Mr. Bush was not educated at an Ivy League school because he was bright enough to attend; he was assured, pretty much from birth, of attending one. He is not more or less qualified than someone who attends Yale or Princeton because they were born with naturally higher intellectual capabilities. His parents were born in to wealth and HIS parents were born in to wealth and so on…. I only attended two years of junior college and I can say with all impunity that I could soundly beat my stepfather in any trivia game or discussion. And, oh, by the way: George W. Bush and Osama bin-Laden’s brother were once business partners of an oil company in the 70’s.
OK, “fatassbastard”. Michael Moore is not necessarily a ‘liberal’ because he is a Green. I’m a Green and I can’t count how many times I’ve disagreed with a Democrat—who, by the way, aren’t always liberal, either. I remember canvassing for the Greens in St. Louis and having several frank interactions with pro-Gephardt Democrats about how jaded they were on issues concerning gun control, the environment, you name it. They aren’t always one and the same, and I can’t understand why you don’t already know that. Moore is a lifetime member of the NRA. That should pretty much get THAT point across.
Posted by jonathan steinke on Oct 7, 2003 at 12:23 PM
Jonathan Steinke,
I agree. You should get “Dude Where’s My Country?” It outlines all of the Bush connections with Saudi Arabia and the bin Ladens. No, I’m not Michael’s publicist. ha ha.
Gephardt. I used to support him when I lived in that area but the more I see and hear of him, especially kissing Bush’s ass for this war, the more I’m convinced he’s wrong for president. I’ll take Kucinich.
What did you think of Vince Schoemel? Whatever happened to him btw?
Posted by neil on Oct 9, 2003 at 6:07 PM
Attn: Andrew Walton
I read your questions posted, and I think they are very valid and well written. I try not to categorize or stereotype, but I cannot help but do so in light of your “questions” directed towards Bush supporters. I find that the *LARGE* majority of those who support MR. Bush have a flawed and semi (if not UN-) educated understanding of the political system, or even how the world is, in general. I do not claim to have this understanding, but I fear that your questions directed towards a Bush supportive audience is futile. If anything, I have seen in my relatively short life that the less information someone has to work with, the more likely they are to solidify their understanding of what they believe. The large majority of questions I have asked Bush supporting individuals have all returned similar responses “cuz he is republican, cuz you
Posted by Andrew Hinshaw on Oct 14, 2003 at 11:36 AM
Attn: Dom Mastroserio
You are the man! I love what you write and the way you write it. Very articulate and F’n AWESOME.
Posted by Andrew Hinshaw on Oct 14, 2003 at 11:40 AM
Hi Andrew,
Thank you so much for your kind and thoughtful commentary. Regarding your question: I really don’t know how to talk with people who always respond with hot emotion instead of cool reason. It’s impossible, really—you find yourself as heated as they are. Their entire foundation is based on vitriol, which always seems to drown out (read: shout down) logic.
Have you noticed how many bumper stickers you see in support
of the current administration and other far-right concerns? I see quite a bit of them. I don’t, however, see as many representations of alternate
thinking, and I wonder if it is for the same reason that I keep my
own vehicle free of political decoration: I don’t want my minivan
dented, tires slashed, windshield broken, etc while I am not there to
protect it. Doesn’t that just sum up
tthe mentality of some of these individuals? I love the sticker that
states, “If you don’t like abortion, don’t have one.” Knowing what kind of folks the anti-abortionists can be, though, you might as well
just leave your doors open, windows down, with a screwdriver on the hood.
The only solace I can take lately is
watching the latest hypocrite stumble and fall—Rush Limbaugh.
He and the rest of those people (Cal Thomas, William Bennett, etc)
remind me too much of the tele-evangelists from the 80’s. Sooner or later, their skeletons come out to silence them. Such is what passes for entertainment in this cold
world.
But I digress.
Bush Removal in 2004!!
Posted by Andrew Walton on Oct 14, 2003 at 6:15 PM
wwelcome
Posted by niall gavin on Oct 19, 2003 at 2:58 PM
i just want to say that michael moore is a great man, and that Ed Corbett is a di**head and he has gone way over board with his porno joke, and he acctually has had more than 15 minutes of fame, more like a year or two, you needle d**k!!!!!!!
Posted by Robbie on Nov 5, 2003 at 10:20 AM
It was with great anger and dismay that I learned of the Bush Administration’s successful first step towards dismantling—and ultimately overturning—the historic Roe vs Wade verdict. The “partial-birth” rhetoric is a mere distraction—all that mattered was that they were actually signing this into law, and that’s more than any of these self-righteous zealots have been able to accomplish since the verdict was first passed. I spoke with people today who believe that this isn’t something to be concerned about, i.e., that it’s just a modification, a fine-tuning even, to make certain that the existing legality of abortion doesn’t allow for such inhumane practices as deciding five months antepartum that you want to terminate the pregnancy after all, etc, etc. I must disagree. This is a very real tragedy, and the indifference to which it is being greeted baffles me.
A little history: the Republican Party has of course been deep in the pockets of the religious right for decades. This is almost exclusively because organizations such as the Christian Coalition make generous donations to a Republican candidate with the understanding that they will be well compensated if/when the election is won. Said compensation comes in the form of pushing the religous right’s agendas, and the most desperate agenda of all has been that of overturning Roe vs Wade. This isn’t paranoia on my part—as least since Ronald Reagan informed America that “I happen to believe that an embryo is a human being” [circa 1984], the abortion debate has been every bit as public as it has been vitriolic, and hard-right conservatives have made no secret of their contemptuous disdain for legalized abortion.
Up until now, however, this was far too hot to really tamper with successfully. The public’s reaction could not be underestimated, and no one appeared ready to risk losing everything the following election because they got too belligerently aggressive with the “A” word.
[to be continued]
Posted by Andrew Walton on Nov 7, 2003 at 5:21 PM
Now, however, we have George W. Bush. The man was never legitimately elected president to begin with, and thus never seemed to approach the position with anything but a detached amusement. From there, this ignorant prick has for the most part lied and distorted about virtually everything, and with aplomb. Perhaps most significantly, he and the goons which make up this administration have demonstrated that they couldn’t care less about what we think of them and what they do.
Recently, the consequences of Bush’s folly as “president” have begun to catch up with him, and those who work with this idiot must be sensing that the jig will be up soon—especially regarding the mess in Iraq. What frightens me is that because of this, those special interest groups may be scrambling to do as much damage as they can while still working with a commander-in-chief whose stupidity and mean spirit shield him from distractions like responsible leadership. Today’s events may be just the beginning.
Think about how much damage has been done since this worthless asshole assumed power. How long will it take for us to regain the respect of our friends in Europe? Our credibility is in shreds. I will never forget the embarrassment I felt when I heard about the Pentagon wanting to change “French fries” to “freedom fries.” Can you fathom how asinine that is? Do you understand the mentality of these ridiculous people?
PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, REGISTER TO VOTE AND JOIN THE FIGHT AGAINST THESE CRETINS.
Posted by Andrew Walton on Nov 7, 2003 at 5:22 PM
Michael Moore was right.
Posted by Renaldo Migaldi on Nov 11, 2003 at 10:51 PM
Now of course we know there are no WMD. And the end of the war was declared, but we are still there.
Oh don’t forget the 87 billion to Halliburton… When will it end?
Posted by Jeanne Parks on Nov 14, 2003 at 3:04 PM
Moore is an extreme as is Bush. Each get cheers and jeers when they speak. But, only one’s words lead to death and destruction. So I think it’s fair for Moore to use his 15 minutes to state his case. The viewer can decide which of the two extremes they gravitate towards best. Just make sure when you listen to a burning bush it’s the real big guy behind it.
Posted by Joe Blow on Nov 15, 2003 at 5:36 PM
I loved the story. War is never the answer. Bring our troops home before they kill, before they are killed.
Posted by aurora marquez on Nov 28, 2003 at 1:12 PM
Michael Moore is an idiot
Posted by robert on Nov 30, 2003 at 6:13 PM
Anyone heard of the idea that if lower and middle class people could in unity stand against the Demos and Repubs, a true movement of the People could begin? Moore would be a good spokesman.
Posted by Michael Waters on Nov 30, 2003 at 7:08 PM
“Michael Moore is an idiot.”
Anything else, Robert? How about
an intelligent discourse arguing against what Moore stands for?
Or, even better: how about an intelligent discourse arguing FOR the current president and his administration?
Posted by Andrew Walton on Dec 4, 2003 at 5:23 PM
Anyone else notice that those against Mike Moore seem rather hostile? Whats their problem? They dont like peace? It’s kinda scary that there’s people around that would rather have a gun, or would make up silly excuses for owning one. You people scare me!
Posted by John on Dec 7, 2003 at 4:06 AM
MM is a fucking wingnut.
Posted by Hand Job on Dec 13, 2003 at 12:31 PM
I don’t believe anyone that I know in the administration ever said that Iraq had nuclear weapons.”
Posted by neil on Jan 9, 2004 at 8:03 AM
I watched bowling for columbine and it was one of the worst documentaries i have ever seen. Moore manipulates statistics in rediculous ways and when looking at the movie critically it really is just propaganda that caters to a mob mentality. I do find it funny that the first people to oppose the war were actors and that the stage hands booed. For some reason i think that those five stage hands represent most of america much more acurately than a group of actors gathered to give each other awards.
Posted by Kevin on Jan 17, 2004 at 11:14 AM
It is good to hear that Mr. Moore was actually well received at the Academy Awards, and that the Academy proved itself once again to be a self-serving, bureaucratic institution. Kudos to Michael Moore for saying what he believes in spite of rabid criticism. Even more kudos to his detractors, notably the ones posting on this website who have proven their incredible intellect through superb spelling and grammar.
Posted by Colin on Jan 17, 2004 at 11:23 AM
You may not think I have the right to comment on anything American, but considering we are turning into one of your states I think I do. Michael Moore is the only American I take any notice of. How can anyone not like someone that stands for the rights of 90% of your population aswell as caring about the environment… after all you breathe in that air too. Your country is just a company with your “president” taking the place of CEO. Do some research on the Bush clan and you’ll find out that they’ve just been interested in oil all the time. They aren’t sending troops to Iraq to “bring democracy” and free the people from a dictatorship, they are doing it to make money. They don’t care who they kill to get it and if you say something against it you’re in trouble. Why didn’t the African Americans revolt after Florida? Why are you not taking back your basic human rights now? You’re all running scared. Next you’ll have a department for the Gestapo. Bush figures you’re taking it now so why not just let it all out in the open, you wont do anything anyway.
Posted by Zoe on Jan 22, 2004 at 9:46 PM
Zoe: quit embarassing yourself. You sound like an idiot when you repeat crackpot theories you “researched” on the internet. And why would the blacks revolt after Florida? What are you talking about? Taking back our basic human rights? Can you cite an example of any that have been taken away? My guess is that you’re talking about the terrorists who are rotting in jail in Guantanomo Bay. Cry me a goddamned river. I don’t know what they’re telling people down in that prison colony but you should really think twice about repeating it in public if you want people to take you seriously.
Posted by Eddie on Jan 24, 2004 at 11:33 AM
PSYCHOLOGY 101
All this humor from a harmless man has the effect of letting us blow off some steam. This leads to the issues being watered down and devalued. This leads to acceptance and resignation. They know they could easily sqwash him if he ever went beyond his role. Result: People’s attention is diverted and they are trained to ‘go ahead and chuckle’ - reducing the chance of a real leader arising. He ends all of his shows with, “And that’s tonight’s SHOW’ which again waters everything down so we can literally accept it all. The highly sensitive “sensates” behind the scenes give him a green light knowing full well that ironically, he’s serving them without him knowing it. He’s being used. And we’re being tricked.
Posted by MCY on Feb 11, 2004 at 2:37 PM
All iI can say is If you don’t like this country then GET OUT and go live saddam
GOD BLESS THE USA AND ALL THE TROOPS HOW ARE FIGHTING FOR MY FREEDOM THANK YOU
Posted by Aaron on Feb 26, 2004 at 11:16 PM
It may be easy to hate Michael Moore because of his strong viewpoints (i.e. they’re in direct opposition to your own viewponits and party affiliation). But ask yourself “are the people I’ve sided with doing good or doing harm? are they looking out for their own interests or those of others?”
Posted by Steve on Feb 27, 2004 at 9:53 AM
J’ai 20 ans je suis fran
Posted by ROUET on Mar 2, 2004 at 10:42 AM
Don’t give up Mr. Moore and supporters.
Posted by Greg on Mar 22, 2004 at 1:01 AM
The Good Old Days
An old Cherokee Chief sat in his hut on the reservation, smoking the ceremonial pipe, eyeing the U.S. government officials sent to interview him.
“Chief,” one official began, “you have observed the white man for 90 years. You have observed his wars and his material wealth. You have seen his progress and the damage he has done…”
The Chief nodded that is so.
The official continued, “considering all these events, in your opinion, where did the white man go wrong?”
The Chief stared at the government officials for over a minute, and then calmly replied:
“When white man found the land, Indians were running it with no taxes, no debt, plenty buffalo, plenty beaver. Women did all the work, medicine man free. Indian man spend all day hunting and fishing, all night making love to the women.” The Chief leaned back and smiled, “White man dumb enough to think he could improve a system like that?”
And nothing has changed to this day. The Bush administration will stop at nothing til they have exploited every natural resource this world has to offer.
GREED will end their manifest destiny.
Posted by neto on May 6, 2004 at 12:40 AM
To Martin Hansen from Denmark,
No, to be honest I haven’t seen BFC. But why would I? If there was a movie that reinforced my political point of view presented as a “documentary” and I discovered it full of fiction, I would not want to see it either. What possible value would it have? Like I believe in aliens from outer space, so I go to Star Wars to confirm my belief. Fine for entertainment, but not to glean any reality from.
America is not a “frightened nation”. I think most of the frightened ones are those who have seen Moores work. If there was any truth in it, fine. But there’s not.
I would say that from the statistics, I have roughly the same fear proportion of lightening to guns as you.
Michael Moore’s work is fiction in large part.
I think that makes his larger thesis invalid, because it is built on a foundation of falsehoods.
Having examined crime statistics from Denmark and the U.S., I find that the homicide rate for 2001 is 5.61 per 100,000 people in the U.S. It is 3.72/100,000 in Denmark. In previous years, it was even closer. You are slightly safer from homicide in Denmark, but hardly a difference that would prove higher gun ownership rates in the U.S. are causing blood to flow in the streets as MM would have you believe.
The total crime rate in Denmark is more than twice that of the U.S. Now someone could probably make a “documentary” using this statistic and leaving out others, maybe a few scenes that show Danish prisons overflowing (this could be totally fabricated according to M.M.‘s method) to try to make the point that Denmark is an outlaw society. I would hope that if someone pointed out to me that the scene with the Danish prisons was fabricated and that a lot of other statistics were left out that would show that the greater crime rate in Denmark is due to a lot of lesser crimes, I would realize that I’d been had, no matter what my preconceived notions about Denmark were.
Your assumptions about our gun culture are wrong. Guns in the hands of ordinary citizens reduce and prevent crime. It’s as simple as that. People use guns 2.5 million times a year in this country to prevent or discourage crime. As gun ownership has increased over the years, gun deaths have fallen.
I guess MM left these statistics out.
P.S. Burglary a minor irritation? Unbelievable. Try this: put a sticker in you window that says “Insured by Smith and Wesson”. You won’t be irritated again.
Posted by Liloan Stitch on May 6, 2004 at 12:40 AM
Aaron wrote:
“All iI can say is If you don’t like this country then GET OUT and go live saddam”
Did you attend the Tarzan School of Linguistics?
Redneck.
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Michael Moore is shit, and you guys are worse for believing this phony.
thank you mr moore for standing up when all others sat on their fat arses(me included)while the world burns,you deserve a medal and an honoury knighthood from mrs windsor at bucks palace,one things fer sure you aint gonna get it from bush & co.keep up the good work and tally ho!
thank you mr moore for standing up when all others sat on their fat arses(me included)while the world burns,you deserve a medal and an honoury knighthood from mrs windsor at bucks palace,one things fer sure you aint gonna get it from bush & co.keep up the good work and tally ho!
I think this story is great, Michael Moore is like a hero of the unheard and un-important people all over the world. We are seen as the ones with the demcratic voice of the peole but no-one listens. Protests of all magnitudes fall of deaf ears and blind eyes so when one of us finally makes it to a position where they can speak up, i say Congrats.
Thanks to Mr. Moore for speaking the truth and what MOST AMERICANS know is true.
please help us pull out of the media brainwashing that GWBush started.
“”“Not ALL AMERICANS ARE AS STUPID AS BUSH THINKS THEY ARE”“” we cant be afraid to speak out against a sham of a war!
As a “Non American” looking back into the Fish Bowl that is America, it is interesting to note - the nay sayers listed below - are the very ones MM’s - Bowling for Columbine -stands to cretique and question. It is without a doubt Mr Moore is a Modern Media Messiah, intelligent enough to question the very democracy that is nothing but communism in a Wolf Suit.
“And as the world fell apart, no one seemed to pay attention” Talking Heads
Hi everyone,
I have been following this thread off-and-on since March, and it
has been interesting (to say the least) to monitor the discussions
as they reflect the circumstances
of our world’s affairs at any given time.
I have a few questions for all the Bush supporters out there. I
am asking that, if you choose to
respond, you will do so without
emotional involvement, i.e., please
don’t refer to me as an “a—hole”
or anything similarly derogatory.
1) At this time, it is more than
just an opinion that George W.
Bush became our president because
of the illegal deletion of over 57,000
Florida voters; indeed, it is a proven fact, one that Greg Palast has demonstrated with a number of damning documents and an airtight
defense. How can you support an
administration that has been exposed as having seized power
by fraudulent means?
What arguments can you make
against the existence of legal documents that verify this theft?
2) In order for some of us to
find out about the aforementioned
issue as well as a number of other
equally alarming developments,
Americans had to depend on media sources from other countries in order to get a more accurate and
realistic view of what was happening here in America. The
media coverage during the war
was particularly ludicrous and
one-sided. How can you claim,
then, that the media is biased
towards liberals? Where on earth
is this bias now?
BRAVO! BRAVO! BRAVO!
Andrew,
New York is awesome. I remember the ‘77 blackout and it was a nightmare for the city. This recent one has shown everyone how much the whole city and state have suffered through and how they now come together to help each other out.
And, right on about your comments.
Andrew,
I add my BRAVOs…and keep on shining the light! As a fellow New Yorker, I mean that in every possible sense!!!
Best to you!
Thank you, gentlemen!
I just heard the wonderful news about Fox trying to help Al Franken sell more books. Can you believe
the arrogance and risible hypocrisy of that channel? They’ve more or less become a symbol of how bloated and out-of-touch our far right friends have become since Bush assumed power.
This time, though, they’ve stumbled, making themselves look petty and foolish. I think Franken really upsets these people, possibly because the wounds are still fresh from the embarrassment caused
by Franken’s runaway bestseller,
“Rush Limbaugh is a Big Fat Idiot.”
Whatever the reason, they have
played into Franken’s hands, and the ensuing coverage has been a welcome shot of penicillin for some of us here in the U.S.
Andrew,
I’ve heard the Fox/Franken story, and it does my heart good to see these arrogant Fox SOB’s stumble. They are no match for Al Franken…he’s miles ahead of them!
Can’t wait to read his book!
Go Al !!!!!
Michael Moore is a good, brave, and smart man. Those who insult him are cowards and bastards. Moore is only defending what America is suppose to stand for, and not the idiocy and disgusting country that it has become. All those who support the current Administration have their minds set only on money, and have the heart only for themselves. Those who support Moore care for things more then money, and know that we only have one world and we better get it right or no one will be happy. SO FUCK YOU, YOU RIGHT WING, REPUBLICAN, RICH BASTARDS!!!
MOORE FOR PRESIDENT!!!!
I am relived to learn tha t wsn’t the hollywood community that booed Mr. Moore but he retard stage hands being told what to do with their mikes. I have yet to see the movie but only because it has been rented ou each and every time I go to the store. I am honored to live in as country where intelligent people can try and make an impact on those who would blindly follow. I live in the Bible Belt and still many are opposed to the fascist puppet we have in the white house, I am disugsted withthe current events and can only hope someone gets the balls to ask Georgie for a resignation on counts of blatnet stupidity and ignorance
You hippies are so full of it. Moorer was booed by a large number of celibrities. Nice spin on the truth. What a surprise once again liberals have out and out lied. You can always content yourselves with the fact that most of America does not agree with your left wing views.
Richard Hoffman
Why do you call him Mr. Bush? He is President Bush. Should we call Clinton Mr. Clinton?
Hi Richard,
I was hoping someone who disagreed with me would join in.
Will you read the 2 questions I posed on 8/12/2003 and share your
thoughts?
Incidentally, I am not a liberal. You
really don’t have to be in order to see that this current administration
is fatally flawed.
Thoughtfully,
Andrew
My favorite part is how almost all the comments by ‘haters’ are full of spelling and grammar mistakes, and have no logical arguments. “MM is stupid cuz he a lyar and hes a fat commyoonist who shuold go have sex with Sadam Husain. Etc.” Thanks for bolstering our viewpoints, guys. *thumbs up*
Richard Hoffman, I disagree. We’re 100% right on this point.
And NO FUCKING WAY most of America disagrees with us. Most people I know who were pro-asshole, I mean, pro-Bush and pro-war are now against the war and want him out of office.
We’re right, Hoffman, you’re wrong.
Michael Moore has a gift and is not afeared to say what is on his mind, unlike millions of others americans. See Bowling for Columbine. I am surprised by some of the comments from the ignominious below.
Michael Moore has a gift and is not afeared to say what is on his mind, unlike millions of others americans. See Bowling for Columbine. I am surprised by some of the comments from the ignominious below.
How old are you, Mr. Hoffman? I suggest you take your blinders off and read…stop watching Fox “news” and read.
Tucker, that is very observant of you…the relative “literacy” of the so-called “neo-cons” is refreshing -(and scary, in a way, since violence is, many times, the m.o. of the incompetent).
Neil from Boise, I’m with you, man. I see how passionate you are…we must act to prevent the reappointment of Mr. Bush. The front lines for me are voter registration drives. MORE people have got to vote…and know that their vote counts. You all on college campuses…please do you part! A new day and a turn around of the economy can happen! We cannot be spectators any longer!
After many months of research and critical analysis of our present zeitgieist I am pleased with the irony of the turn of events. Who would have thought it possible that a Corporationist flunky who bullied himself into the White House, could within less than three years, unite a so widely disparate spectrum of rational and sane political opponents in despising and denouncing his presidency so that not only has he created a common ground of agreement between these former political antagonists…but has actually realized the creation of this climate by attempting to polarize by intimidation and the politics of fear. By destroying, polluting, and pillaging not only two soveign nations and our own he has accomplished the exact opposite of what he and his masters proposed. He has united Americans against him despite their political predelictions! How Ironic! Let’s all now stand together and impeach him and his henchmen…later we can be REAL Americans again and argue with each other as we must in a free land…We can resume the normal adversarial climate which made this country GREAT…We can once again disagree yet fight to the death for the right to do so.
Excellent point, Dom. The “Corporationists” are unfortunately still in the driver’s seat…see “take back the media” site below.
Unless those who are the ‘anti-corporationists’ band together to expose the ‘corporate MEDIA’...how are we to convey the MESSAGE?
If representative democracy is to work, we must VOTE, and vote in much larger numbers than ever before!
http://www.takebackthemedia.com/thieves.html
Frank Zappa once said, “If you
don’t vote, democracy doesn’t work! Consider the alternative!”
Well said, and I believe we were
given a sample of “the alternative”
when those two trashbags in Florida managed to have almost 57,000 legitimate voters wiped out
from the rolls.
After said crime was exposed by Greg Palast, I recall feeling great despair about the future of voter
turnouts. What better example for people to cite than the tragedy in 2000? “See, it’s all fixed; my vote
doesn’t count.” etc, etc.
Dom, you hit it on the head, though: Bush has made so many enemies and has divided people so acutely in his brief time as “President” that I believe we are going to see a real statement made
next year. I hope so…I HOPE.
Lenats and Andrew: What I didn’t speak about is the fact that those same Corporationists, whose identies remain, with the aid of our taxdollars and the institutions they pay for, Nebulous, Oz-like entities who, nevertheless can be smoked out of thier bunkers if we the people demand from those institutions, especially intelligence and law enforcement…that they do their duty as our employees and get them into a courtroom for just about every penal infraction imaginable. You see, these would-be gods use our own agencies to sheild them at our expense. Therein lies the rub…because these monomaniacs can bribe our elected representatives they, in effect, own not only their corporations but our taxdollars, so they think. Of course if our intelligence community and law enforcement institutions could be made to realize that the vilest of criminals are not their fellow citizens but those who pull the strings of their bosses…then instead of expanding the penal-industrial complex with mostly the victimless convicted…these real threats to humanity could be tried and convicted easily enough and replace the others with greater justification. Bush is on his way out not because of the rapacious, murderous, Constiution-destroying, mendacious nature of his administration, but because of the arrogant, Racist, bungling and crypto-apocolyptic posturing and New World Order disrupting agenda. Yes, the vote can still weild a mighty sword but unless the candidates have the wherewithal and intestinal fortitude to honestly weed out those of whom I spoke above…Only the masks will be changed-the same tragedy will continue to be played out.
Depressing…but true.
Many good hearted fellow Americans, when confronted with the truth supported by corroborating evidence usually tell me that, yes, deep down inside they sort of, if not consciously were well aware of the collapse of their country. It’s not a matter of speculation that gas prices are at an all-time high, that these snarling bunglers in power have the bald faced audacity to request another sixty billion for their ongoing bloodshed for profit of the few…most people are well aware of the vast disparity between the hype and their day-to-day struggle for survival. They are very angry, befuddled, humiliated, and in deep denial. Their core problem is usually expressed as a vague hopless helplessness. What do we do now? How do we get these monsters out of our lives? How do we find our way back to the country we thought we once had? I tell them that much of what they were told and believed to be true about their country in the past was mostly posture and propagand used to both sheild and empower the criminals hiding behind their paid-for politicians, judges, and police. I tell them there is no simple, magical formula for righting the floundering ship of state caught in a perfect storm wraught of human greed, psychosis, and lies. But…to fear need not be a bad thing if it can be reformed into an impetus for creative reconstruction instead of a paralyzing, cowardly submisiveness and abrogation of responsibility. I tell them that they are bound to do anything but give in to these monsters. Better to go down with a fight than crawl into a hole only to watch as the situation becomes inextricable. I feel the fear, I sense the helplessness in myself but hey, I know that if I just pretend and keep my mouth shut that they’ll only become more confident in what they can get away with. So…I become like a mosquito and annoy, bite, suck blood, and deposit my venom. A human mosquito is better than a fly caught in a fat spider’s web!
If anyone does not agree with what Michael Moore says they have obviously not ever seen any of his films. They are unaware of how TRUE the stuff he has THOROUGHLY researched is. He is very intelligent and people are just scared of him. Liek they are afraid of everything else. WAKE UP United States! Stop watching the misinforming and fear oriented media. Don’t let corporate America continue to bend you over a repeatedly get you in the ass. People believe what they are told so easily without researching it to back up what they say with facts. This is something MM does, pay attention or you may someday regret it.
To whom it may concern,
This article was a great. The Bush/Ashcroft administration may have created a hole that we cannot dig out of. They are taking away our civil liberties. Soon Spielberg’s “Minority Report” will come a reality. We are moving towards Marshall Law as opposed to freedom.
Scott
Mom,
Please read this article especially Mr. Moore’s actual speech
conc. database sept. 28
I’d like to respond to comments made by Carl Snodgrass and the “fatassbastard” individual. First, Mr. Snodgrass. Being intelligent is not necessarily contingent upon having been educated at an Ivy League university. I know from experience. My stepfather (a former conductor for the Lincoln Symphony Orchestra) attended Yale when he was fifteen but did not know who Tom Cruise was when my family talked about him and his movies over dinner one night. Really, now—how many films has the guy made? If you’re born into the sort of wealth to which Mr. Bush and every member of his family are privy, it’s pretty much official from birth that you’re attending an Ivy League school. I do not think being raised to attend Yale or Princeton means you have greater or fewer credentials to attend than someone who is naturally intelligent who wasn’t born in to wealth. And, anyway—Salem bin-Laden and George W. Bush were founders of the Arbusto Energy oil company in the 70’s. OK, on to “michaelmooreisafatassbastard”. Anyone who uses a handle like that on a message board has to have more time on his/her hands than he/she really needs. For chrissakes, it’s a stupid message board in response to ONE ARTICLE! Anyhow, I notice you use the term “limousine liberal” in your post. First off, not all Greens (which would include Michael Moore)are liberals and not everyone I know who agrees with the Greens in some instances are necessarily liberal. They have many sentiments upon which each disagrees with the other. Again, the use of an ideological slant on the old “slippery slope”. Personally, I’ve never ridden a limousine in my life and I think NPR and many liberals are full of crap. Whatever your real name is, I want you to know that Johnny’s quote from Herman Goering in his post is spot-on—oh, yeah, we Americans are dyed-in-the-wool suckers when it comes to what our leaders telling us how we HAVE to feel about war. We’ll believe anything. I DON’T. Mr. Moore is purely representative of what the facade of this war is versus what is really going on behind the whitewall.
I’m not sure if the last post I wrote was actually sent through to be submitted, so I’ll start over.
I have responses to both Mr. Snodgrass and the “fatassbastard” individual. First, Mr. Snodgrass. One’s intelligence is not entirely contingent upon having been educated at an Ivy League university. I know this from experience. My stepfather (former conductor of the Lincoln Symphony Orchestra) attended Yale when he was 15 but still didn’t know who Tom Cruise was when my family was discussing him and his movies over dinner one night. Mr. Bush was not educated at an Ivy League school because he was bright enough to attend; he was assured, pretty much from birth, of attending one. He is not more or less qualified than someone who attends Yale or Princeton because they were born with naturally higher intellectual capabilities. His parents were born in to wealth and HIS parents were born in to wealth and so on…. I only attended two years of junior college and I can say with all impunity that I could soundly beat my stepfather in any trivia game or discussion. And, oh, by the way: George W. Bush and Osama bin-Laden’s brother were once business partners of an oil company in the 70’s.
OK, “fatassbastard”. Michael Moore is not necessarily a ‘liberal’ because he is a Green. I’m a Green and I can’t count how many times I’ve disagreed with a Democrat—who, by the way, aren’t always liberal, either. I remember canvassing for the Greens in St. Louis and having several frank interactions with pro-Gephardt Democrats about how jaded they were on issues concerning gun control, the environment, you name it. They aren’t always one and the same, and I can’t understand why you don’t already know that. Moore is a lifetime member of the NRA. That should pretty much get THAT point across.
Jonathan Steinke,
I agree. You should get “Dude Where’s My Country?” It outlines all of the Bush connections with Saudi Arabia and the bin Ladens. No, I’m not Michael’s publicist. ha ha.
Gephardt. I used to support him when I lived in that area but the more I see and hear of him, especially kissing Bush’s ass for this war, the more I’m convinced he’s wrong for president. I’ll take Kucinich.
What did you think of Vince Schoemel? Whatever happened to him btw?
Attn: Andrew Walton
I read your questions posted, and I think they are very valid and well written. I try not to categorize or stereotype, but I cannot help but do so in light of your “questions” directed towards Bush supporters. I find that the *LARGE* majority of those who support MR. Bush have a flawed and semi (if not UN-) educated understanding of the political system, or even how the world is, in general. I do not claim to have this understanding, but I fear that your questions directed towards a Bush supportive audience is futile. If anything, I have seen in my relatively short life that the less information someone has to work with, the more likely they are to solidify their understanding of what they believe. The large majority of questions I have asked Bush supporting individuals have all returned similar responses “cuz he is republican, cuz you
Attn: Dom Mastroserio
You are the man! I love what you write and the way you write it. Very articulate and F’n AWESOME.
Hi Andrew,
Thank you so much for your kind and thoughtful commentary. Regarding your question: I really don’t know how to talk with people who always respond with hot emotion instead of cool reason. It’s impossible, really—you find yourself as heated as they are. Their entire foundation is based on vitriol, which always seems to drown out (read: shout down) logic.
Have you noticed how many bumper stickers you see in support
of the current administration and other far-right concerns? I see quite a bit of them. I don’t, however, see as many representations of alternate
thinking, and I wonder if it is for the same reason that I keep my
own vehicle free of political decoration: I don’t want my minivan
dented, tires slashed, windshield broken, etc while I am not there to
protect it. Doesn’t that just sum up
tthe mentality of some of these individuals? I love the sticker that
states, “If you don’t like abortion, don’t have one.” Knowing what kind of folks the anti-abortionists can be, though, you might as well
just leave your doors open, windows down, with a screwdriver on the hood.
The only solace I can take lately is
watching the latest hypocrite stumble and fall—Rush Limbaugh.
He and the rest of those people (Cal Thomas, William Bennett, etc)
remind me too much of the tele-evangelists from the 80’s. Sooner or later, their skeletons come out to silence them. Such is what passes for entertainment in this cold
world.
But I digress.
Bush Removal in 2004!!
wwelcome
A very good article:
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1499&e=12&u=/launch/214927
i just want to say that michael moore is a great man, and that Ed Corbett is a di**head and he has gone way over board with his porno joke, and he acctually has had more than 15 minutes of fame, more like a year or two, you needle d**k!!!!!!!
It was with great anger and dismay that I learned of the Bush Administration’s successful first step towards dismantling—and ultimately overturning—the historic Roe vs Wade verdict. The “partial-birth” rhetoric is a mere distraction—all that mattered was that they were actually signing this into law, and that’s more than any of these self-righteous zealots have been able to accomplish since the verdict was first passed. I spoke with people today who believe that this isn’t something to be concerned about, i.e., that it’s just a modification, a fine-tuning even, to make certain that the existing legality of abortion doesn’t allow for such inhumane practices as deciding five months antepartum that you want to terminate the pregnancy after all, etc, etc. I must disagree. This is a very real tragedy, and the indifference to which it is being greeted baffles me.
A little history: the Republican Party has of course been deep in the pockets of the religious right for decades. This is almost exclusively because organizations such as the Christian Coalition make generous donations to a Republican candidate with the understanding that they will be well compensated if/when the election is won. Said compensation comes in the form of pushing the religous right’s agendas, and the most desperate agenda of all has been that of overturning Roe vs Wade. This isn’t paranoia on my part—as least since Ronald Reagan informed America that “I happen to believe that an embryo is a human being” [circa 1984], the abortion debate has been every bit as public as it has been vitriolic, and hard-right conservatives have made no secret of their contemptuous disdain for legalized abortion.
Up until now, however, this was far too hot to really tamper with successfully. The public’s reaction could not be underestimated, and no one appeared ready to risk losing everything the following election because they got too belligerently aggressive with the “A” word.
[to be continued]
Now, however, we have George W. Bush. The man was never legitimately elected president to begin with, and thus never seemed to approach the position with anything but a detached amusement. From there, this ignorant prick has for the most part lied and distorted about virtually everything, and with aplomb. Perhaps most significantly, he and the goons which make up this administration have demonstrated that they couldn’t care less about what we think of them and what they do.
Recently, the consequences of Bush’s folly as “president” have begun to catch up with him, and those who work with this idiot must be sensing that the jig will be up soon—especially regarding the mess in Iraq. What frightens me is that because of this, those special interest groups may be scrambling to do as much damage as they can while still working with a commander-in-chief whose stupidity and mean spirit shield him from distractions like responsible leadership. Today’s events may be just the beginning.
Think about how much damage has been done since this worthless asshole assumed power. How long will it take for us to regain the respect of our friends in Europe? Our credibility is in shreds. I will never forget the embarrassment I felt when I heard about the Pentagon wanting to change “French fries” to “freedom fries.” Can you fathom how asinine that is? Do you understand the mentality of these ridiculous people?
PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, REGISTER TO VOTE AND JOIN THE FIGHT AGAINST THESE CRETINS.
Michael Moore was right.
Now of course we know there are no WMD. And the end of the war was declared, but we are still there.
Oh don’t forget the 87 billion to Halliburton… When will it end?
Moore is an extreme as is Bush. Each get cheers and jeers when they speak. But, only one’s words lead to death and destruction. So I think it’s fair for Moore to use his 15 minutes to state his case. The viewer can decide which of the two extremes they gravitate towards best. Just make sure when you listen to a burning bush it’s the real big guy behind it.
I loved the story. War is never the answer. Bring our troops home before they kill, before they are killed.
Michael Moore is an idiot
Anyone heard of the idea that if lower and middle class people could in unity stand against the Demos and Repubs, a true movement of the People could begin? Moore would be a good spokesman.
“Michael Moore is an idiot.”
Anything else, Robert? How about
an intelligent discourse arguing against what Moore stands for?
Or, even better: how about an intelligent discourse arguing FOR the current president and his administration?
Anyone else notice that those against Mike Moore seem rather hostile? Whats their problem? They dont like peace? It’s kinda scary that there’s people around that would rather have a gun, or would make up silly excuses for owning one. You people scare me!
MM is a fucking wingnut.
I don’t believe anyone that I know in the administration ever said that Iraq had nuclear weapons.”
I watched bowling for columbine and it was one of the worst documentaries i have ever seen. Moore manipulates statistics in rediculous ways and when looking at the movie critically it really is just propaganda that caters to a mob mentality. I do find it funny that the first people to oppose the war were actors and that the stage hands booed. For some reason i think that those five stage hands represent most of america much more acurately than a group of actors gathered to give each other awards.
It is good to hear that Mr. Moore was actually well received at the Academy Awards, and that the Academy proved itself once again to be a self-serving, bureaucratic institution. Kudos to Michael Moore for saying what he believes in spite of rabid criticism. Even more kudos to his detractors, notably the ones posting on this website who have proven their incredible intellect through superb spelling and grammar.
You may not think I have the right to comment on anything American, but considering we are turning into one of your states I think I do. Michael Moore is the only American I take any notice of. How can anyone not like someone that stands for the rights of 90% of your population aswell as caring about the environment… after all you breathe in that air too. Your country is just a company with your “president” taking the place of CEO. Do some research on the Bush clan and you’ll find out that they’ve just been interested in oil all the time. They aren’t sending troops to Iraq to “bring democracy” and free the people from a dictatorship, they are doing it to make money. They don’t care who they kill to get it and if you say something against it you’re in trouble. Why didn’t the African Americans revolt after Florida? Why are you not taking back your basic human rights now? You’re all running scared. Next you’ll have a department for the Gestapo. Bush figures you’re taking it now so why not just let it all out in the open, you wont do anything anyway.
Zoe: quit embarassing yourself. You sound like an idiot when you repeat crackpot theories you “researched” on the internet. And why would the blacks revolt after Florida? What are you talking about? Taking back our basic human rights? Can you cite an example of any that have been taken away? My guess is that you’re talking about the terrorists who are rotting in jail in Guantanomo Bay. Cry me a goddamned river. I don’t know what they’re telling people down in that prison colony but you should really think twice about repeating it in public if you want people to take you seriously.
PSYCHOLOGY 101
All this humor from a harmless man has the effect of letting us blow off some steam. This leads to the issues being watered down and devalued. This leads to acceptance and resignation. They know they could easily sqwash him if he ever went beyond his role. Result: People’s attention is diverted and they are trained to ‘go ahead and chuckle’ - reducing the chance of a real leader arising. He ends all of his shows with, “And that’s tonight’s SHOW’ which again waters everything down so we can literally accept it all. The highly sensitive “sensates” behind the scenes give him a green light knowing full well that ironically, he’s serving them without him knowing it. He’s being used. And we’re being tricked.
All iI can say is If you don’t like this country then GET OUT and go live saddam
GOD BLESS THE USA AND ALL THE TROOPS HOW ARE FIGHTING FOR MY FREEDOM THANK YOU
It may be easy to hate Michael Moore because of his strong viewpoints (i.e. they’re in direct opposition to your own viewponits and party affiliation). But ask yourself “are the people I’ve sided with doing good or doing harm? are they looking out for their own interests or those of others?”
J’ai 20 ans je suis fran
Don’t give up Mr. Moore and supporters.
The Good Old Days
An old Cherokee Chief sat in his hut on the reservation, smoking the ceremonial pipe, eyeing the U.S. government officials sent to interview him.
“Chief,” one official began, “you have observed the white man for 90 years. You have observed his wars and his material wealth. You have seen his progress and the damage he has done…”
The Chief nodded that is so.
The official continued, “considering all these events, in your opinion, where did the white man go wrong?”
The Chief stared at the government officials for over a minute, and then calmly replied:
“When white man found the land, Indians were running it with no taxes, no debt, plenty buffalo, plenty beaver. Women did all the work, medicine man free. Indian man spend all day hunting and fishing, all night making love to the women.” The Chief leaned back and smiled, “White man dumb enough to think he could improve a system like that?”
And nothing has changed to this day. The Bush administration will stop at nothing til they have exploited every natural resource this world has to offer.
GREED will end their manifest destiny.
To Martin Hansen from Denmark,
No, to be honest I haven’t seen BFC. But why would I? If there was a movie that reinforced my political point of view presented as a “documentary” and I discovered it full of fiction, I would not want to see it either. What possible value would it have? Like I believe in aliens from outer space, so I go to Star Wars to confirm my belief. Fine for entertainment, but not to glean any reality from.
America is not a “frightened nation”. I think most of the frightened ones are those who have seen Moores work. If there was any truth in it, fine. But there’s not.
I would say that from the statistics, I have roughly the same fear proportion of lightening to guns as you.
Michael Moore’s work is fiction in large part.
I think that makes his larger thesis invalid, because it is built on a foundation of falsehoods.
Having examined crime statistics from Denmark and the U.S., I find that the homicide rate for 2001 is 5.61 per 100,000 people in the U.S. It is 3.72/100,000 in Denmark. In previous years, it was even closer. You are slightly safer from homicide in Denmark, but hardly a difference that would prove higher gun ownership rates in the U.S. are causing blood to flow in the streets as MM would have you believe.
The total crime rate in Denmark is more than twice that of the U.S. Now someone could probably make a “documentary” using this statistic and leaving out others, maybe a few scenes that show Danish prisons overflowing (this could be totally fabricated according to M.M.‘s method) to try to make the point that Denmark is an outlaw society. I would hope that if someone pointed out to me that the scene with the Danish prisons was fabricated and that a lot of other statistics were left out that would show that the greater crime rate in Denmark is due to a lot of lesser crimes, I would realize that I’d been had, no matter what my preconceived notions about Denmark were.
Your assumptions about our gun culture are wrong. Guns in the hands of ordinary citizens reduce and prevent crime. It’s as simple as that. People use guns 2.5 million times a year in this country to prevent or discourage crime. As gun ownership has increased over the years, gun deaths have fallen.
I guess MM left these statistics out.
P.S. Burglary a minor irritation? Unbelievable. Try this: put a sticker in you window that says “Insured by Smith and Wesson”. You won’t be irritated again.
Aaron wrote:
“All iI can say is If you don’t like this country then GET OUT and go live saddam”
Did you attend the Tarzan School of Linguistics?
Redneck.
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