The day after the national celebration of King Day, Sen. Barack Hussein Obama (D-Ill.) announced he was forming a committee to explore a run for the presidency. Obama’s rapid ascent and the popular draft that has swept him into the presidential race would have amazed the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. Less than 40 years after his assassination virtually killed… return to article
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Reader Comments (48)Page 1 of 1 pages“Funky” ? The Black community is suffering from way too much funky behavior. If Obama could wiggle out of AIPAC’s control and take some controversial stands, he might be worth supporting. The author must be hanging around some guilt tripping whites if they think blacks should hate them for being white. Thanks but no thanks.
Posted by blondemike on Feb 1, 2007 at 11:15 AM As usual Salim is on target with his piece on Obama. Not only is Obama the one hope for African-Americans and whites. We must galvanize and support this intelligent politician, who has our hopes for peace and equal rights at heart. Reparation will come later.
“C” in OKC
Posted by hopeinok on Feb 1, 2007 at 3:24 PM “Many blacks wonder if mainstream whites love Obama because of his lack of history as a slave, which elicits no feelings of historical guilt.”
I live in Illinois where it is required to “declare a party” to get a primary ballot. For the first time I declared “Democrat” just to be able to vote for Obama. (When Allen Keyes turned out to be the Republican opposition, it was no contest for Obama to get my vote.)
Though both men are of African ancestry any connection to a slave history never entered my mind. I have never heard of anyone I know, white or black, mentioning this as an issue. Any “feelings of historical guilt” must be a wealthy or liberal problem. I feel absolutely no guilt for any policies or behavior which either precede me in of which I never participated. I would be willing to bet most whites feel the same. You may not like it, but it is so.
Until corresponding on this site I didn’t even realize it could still be a consideration since any individuals who experienced U.S slavery are long gone.
Even so, I doubt that Obama’s lack of a slavery connection is any genuine allure to anybody. My own personal reasons for voting for him were that he seemed to make sense. I am expect to learn more about his ideas as the campaign progresses. I hope he gets to debate specific topics — his book is encouraging, but just too general.As for the “...intensity of white Americans’ affection...” it is more likely his lack of anything to dislike so far. Plus the media always tries to make elections into a sporting event.
Posted by whattheheck on Feb 1, 2007 at 4:28 PM Less than 40 years after (Dr. King’s) assassination virtually killed the civil rights movement …
This strange and ambiguous statement, typical of Muwakkil, stopped me cold. Whatever could he mean? Coretta Scott King carried on heroically. A host of others, including close associates of Dr. King, carried on as well, perhaps not quite so heroically, and maybe even self-servingly. But carry on they did.
So, in what sense was the Civil Rights movement “killed”?
Well, for one thing, emphasis shifted within the Civl Rights movement at the time of Dr. King’s death. There had been a long history of self-reliance and self-help within the black community, from Frederick Douglass, to Booker T. Washington, George Washington Carver, and on through Dr. King’s time. There was a strong practical reason for this self-reliance; blacks got scant help from most whites, particularly in the Dimocratic South.
But several other events corresponded in time with Dr. King’s assassination: integration, the Great Society welfare and poverty programs, and Affirmative Action programs among them. These programs served to shift emphasis away from self-reliance to entitlement and dependency. Welfare, in particular, devastated black families, who collected more money when the men were gone than when they were present, giving everyone incentive to see the men gone, or at least out of sight.
As a consequence of welfare, too many black children grew up without a strong male presence, or any permanent male presence at all in many cases. And education and accomplishment were de-emphasized in dependent black families, contrary to the sterling examples of Douglass, Washington, Carver, and King.
Now we have Senator Obama, intelligent, educated, and eloquent, and no one knows how to relate to him. Not blacks, who question his authenticity. Not leftists, who are too eager to be impressed by Obama’s obvious abilities and thin resume. (One blogger, who seemed to be in a position to have observed, was thoroughly impressed by Obama’s note-taking abilities in his college courses! BFD.) Not Conservatives, who compromised their principles before the last election and are not yet relating coherently with anything.
Obama will be good competition, after he establishes a resume.
Posted by scorp on Feb 1, 2007 at 11:36 PM Initially I thought maybe it was just me but after doing a small poll of relatives, friends and co-workers, I came to the conclusion that the idea that “Many blacks wonder if mainstream whites love Obama because of his lack of history as a slave, which elicits no feelings of historical guilt.” is not only untrue but absurd.
My feeling was surprise that any Blacks were wondering anything about why white people like Obama, it never occurred to me to give it a thought. The most observant comment I got on this subject was from one of my next door neighbors, a 38 y/o unemployed married father of two (I teasingly call him a “househusband") who stated emphatically that “the only thing whites love about Obama is that he won’t do anything to keep them from continuing to make money”. My 78 y/o mom believes that “white people don’t really love Obama, they only say they do because he reminds them of the one member of their family who didn’t screw up”. A co-worker said white males (dems and repubs) are pushing him on because “they’d rather see anybody as President rather than Hilary because with Hilary as President and Pelosi as speaker of the House, #3 in the line of power, women would be running the country”. My wife said she hopes white people really love him but doubts it and if he wins she hopes they end up regretting it. My 22 y/o daughter, representing Black youth, doesn’t like to bring up the “slavery thing” because she’s “ashamed that such a stupid and weak group of people (whites) were able to conquer the whole world” and foresees an unmerciful punishment in their future. My sister in law said, “they love him now, wait til they meet his wife.” I think Mr. Muwakkil just made this whole thing up, Black folks don’t really care what white people think, about Obama or too much of anything else.
Posted by theloneous on Feb 2, 2007 at 9:59 AM Scorpy Doobie AKA Master Bates, Dr. King was IN FAVOR of forced integration, Great Society welfare programs AND affirmative action. They did not come after he was murdered, they were there in his prime. Can you ever get anything right historically, Scorpy Doobie ? Theloneous is right, there’s no reason most blacks have to be overly concerned with the views of white folks, who themselves are more fractured than blacks. Obama is very photogenic but where’s the beef ? We are leaning towards Kucinich, a good leftist, from Scorpy Doobie’s blue home state of Ohio. By the way, Scorpy Doobie AKA Master Bates, all those southern Dimocrats became southern Repugnants. And wasn’t Rush witty with that “Dimocrat” line, ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.
Ok, Scorpy Doobie AKA Master Bates, it’s always a great pleasure to wipe you’re stinky butt in public.
Posted by blondemike on Feb 2, 2007 at 11:11 AM As LB once remarked, Mike, you’ve been baiting so many people for such a long time on these threads that if anyone can be called a “master baiter”, it would have to be you. And why would it “please” you to publicly wipe anyone’s “stinky butt”, let alone Scorp the Corpse (a corporate coprophiliac), who will only get pissed and tell us again, for the third time, that he once knocked off the heels of his combat boots to qualify for advanced combat training. Wipe your own butt, and spare us the gruesome, graphic detail.
Everyone here seems to assume that inner-city sociopathy (white as well as colored, incidentally) is the result of the failure of the liberal welfare state, when it can be reasonably argued that much of it is the result of successful liberal policy which allowed the people who were more likely to succeed to escape the ghetto and thereby deprived the neighborhoods of the skills and capital which otherwise would have humanized the remaining residents. Liberal welfare and anti-racist policies benefited millions of people (again, white as well as colored), but most of them fled for the safety and comfort of the suburbs. Those who were “left behind” were forced to endure the vicious cycle of human and capital flight.
Posted by Major Major on Feb 2, 2007 at 6:20 PM Major or Private or whatever you’re name is, who the hell was talking to you ? If you want to defend some Limbaughite retard like Scorpy Doobie AKA Master Bates then let’s drop the phony liberal mantra. You are not even remotely characterizing my views here correctly. This is at least the third fucking time you have started something with me over remarks I made about someone ELSE. Mind your own business ! All of us have to wipe Scorpy Doobie AKA Master Bates butt repeatedly because he repeatedly tries to drown us in a tsunami of bullshit. If the details are too gruesome then stay off the board. Otherwise I’ll be talking to the warden about you’re abuse of web privileges. You will be playing wife to an Aryan Brotherhood brute again if they have to throw you back in the hole. So stay out of my business and join us in the crusade against Scorpy Doobie AKA Master Bates. And learn to spell BATES.
Posted by blondemike on Feb 2, 2007 at 7:11 PM Well.....Redhorse is back...temporarily at least....BM is still a gump, Scorpy is still a Cheney clone ( how do you like that Scooter trial..a grown man in professional life calling himself....Scooter ? ?.? ...Cheney and Rove might be in for a waxing...can we all spell INDICTMENT ) WTH is still a skeptic...( though I see that he is definitely a free thinker ), theloneous , Major Major of course have the pulse of what this Obama phenomenon is about....So all is well in the world of the ITT trollers....
Redhorse , in a conversation with WTH has stated that I believe a Obama run for the presidency is premature...although the man is definitely qualified , my feeling is that family considerations ( two young daughters ) are my primary concerns...additionally safety concerns also play into the mix…
Don’t like or trust Billary....very much the follower....a smoother version of that goofy Kerry guy...( rumors are that the rightist Dems have bought the nomination for the ol’ gal...)
Why white folks like or love Obama so much is an interesting question that only white folks can truthfully speak too....but experience has shown that the affections of white amerika are at best extremely fickled and convoluted....as long as Sen. Obama is treated with a degree of objectivity by the news media...this effect should continue...but if the worm turns( for no apparent reasons other than policy considerations...)well...we all know that tune...And yes...Obama doesn’t have the baggage of other black candidates...this is of course a consideration WTH , even if you personally don’t feel this way…
Ultimately though...my question is....Can a blackman , regardless of all the other factors...be elected president with the middle name of “Hussien.”...?
Posted by Redhorse on Feb 3, 2007 at 5:10 AM Hi Redhorse,
I do think Obama’s lack of baggage is a large factor with everyone right now. It’s just as you know, we white guys can’t connect with the black history — impossible, I guess. It is his lack of a long trial of political issues to haunt him.
Somebody took a stab at it with his early Wahabbi Muslim contnection, but that fell flat. He has tried drugs was a non-starter too.
If he in fact does go for it, I hope we can get we can get some genuine issues genuinely debated. I hate what usually is billed as a debate on TV.
I am hopeful enough people may want a real person with real ideas for a change. Maybe someone who is both black and white can do it.
Posted by whattheheck on Feb 3, 2007 at 8:32 AM MMM -
Fuck off, boy.
Hardesty is the stupidest little dumbshit on this or any other site, as he proved when he went and put his fingerprints and footprints all over the Internet while trying to preserve his anonymity. I periodically ring his bell because it pisses him off, and he then makes even more vile and repulsive and idiotic statements.
Keep your personal opinions out of this, and let Hardesty shoot his mouth off all he wants. Fools and knaves should be opposed on general principle, as Robert Conquest has said, and opposing Hardesty is my service to the people on this site and to the world.
Hardesty is charming in his ignorance, befuddlement, and internal contradictions, and such thought processes (thinking is too generous a term) should receive the widest exposure possible.
Posted by scorp on Feb 3, 2007 at 9:05 AM Robert Conquest? The anti-communist from the Hoover Institute who relies on fascist sources to inflate the Ukrainian famine casualties (the Ukrainian holocaust) in order to minimize the Jewish holocaust? Good grief, Goober. You and Mike are soulmates after all.
So many sockpuppets…
So little time…
Posted by Major Major on Feb 3, 2007 at 10:22 AM MMM -
Fuck off, boy.
Hardesty is the one who is supposed to get bent out of shape by the Conquest reference, so what are you doing here? You are into something you do not understand.
Keep your personal opinions out of this. Or not.
Posted by scorp on Feb 3, 2007 at 1:31 PM WTH....
My personal scenario has Al Gore...waiting in the wings....riding the wave of popularity from his global warming movie , additionally his recent nomination for a Noble prize for Peace , can’t hurt....Gore will declare his intentions to run for the presidency as late as possible....Now how Obama fits into this scenario is anyone guess....VP maybe.....or continue as a Senator , maybe a term as Govenor first.....then possibly national office.....
Fast tracking in politics , is like sprinting thru a marathon.....you look good for a while...but fatigue will make a coward of the strongest men....or women as the case may present itself....
Hillary Clinton is not a fast tracker in my opinion...she’s bought and payed for like most Senators , plus she has nothing new to bring to the table...except gender…
Posted by Redhorse on Feb 3, 2007 at 3:32 PM Well, excuse me for interrupting your private debate with Mike, but this is a public board, even if the two of you are determined to publicly embarass yourselves in the process. Feel free to enlighten us lesser intellects. What exactly is it that we don’t understand?
Posted by Major Major on Feb 3, 2007 at 6:51 PM I never thought I’d agree with Scorpy Doobie AKA Master Bates but I do on Conquest. In fact Conquest estimates over forty years of only 20-25 million victims of Stalin is way too low. Subsequent research shows double that and in fact people like Solzhenitsyn have estimated over
100 million victims of Communist rule just in the USSR alone. And Mao easily killed 100 million in China, that’s not debatable. Stalin had killed many millions before Hitler came to power in Germany. The holocaust meaning death by fire is a totally bogus term because even the orthodox holocausters do not maintain that Jews burned to death. People who died of diseases were cremated after they died, they never died of fire, unlike millions of German civilians who were killed in literal holocausts by US-UK civilian saturation bombing. That maybe one million Jews died of all causes during WW2 was a great tragedy and the Germans bear moral as well as legal responsibility. Many of the Jews who were shot on the eastern front by Ukrainians, Poles, Latvians, native Russians, Lithunians, etc., were killed in retaliation for the millions of Russians, Ukrainians, Balts killed by the heavily Jewish Secret Police under Stalin. I think we should probably limit to 50 million the number of Soviet victims, anything beyond that overstates the case. I see where Major Major parrots the old line Commie Stalinist Big Lie about no Soviet mass murders, only German ones. Comrade Alex Cockburn tried that in The Nation over 20 years ago and even Paul Robeson, Jr., wrote in to rebut him. I tried to confront Alex at a party in Oakland ten years ago on this but he rapidly moved away. I kept trying to make contact but he acted like I was going to buttfuck him and he’s really not my type. My wife talked with his girlfriend who appeared more intelligent. I see where Scorpy Doobie AKA Master Bates has become totally unhinged due to my demolition of his assertions on a regular scale. Sorry, Scorpy Doobie AKA Master Bates. Ohio is now a Blue State ! I even mostly agree with Redhorse’s political observations above. Godalmighty, agreeing with Redhorse and Scorpy Doobie AKA Master Bates on the same thread is too much ! Maybe I better quit now.
Posted by blondemike on Feb 5, 2007 at 11:23 AM Initially I thought maybe it was just me but after doing a small poll of relatives, friends and co-workers, I came to the conclusion that the idea that “Many blacks wonder if mainstream whites love Obama because of his lack of history as a slave, which elicits no feelings of historical guilt.” is not only untrue but absurd.
My feeling was surprise that any Blacks were wondering anything about why white people like Obama, it never occurred to me to give it a thought. The most observant comment I got on this subject was from one of my next door neighbors, a 38 y/o unemployed married father of two (I teasingly call him a “househusband") who stated emphatically that “the only thing whites love about Obama is that he won’t do anything to keep them from continuing to make money”. My 78 y/o mom believes that “white people don’t really love Obama, they only say they do because he reminds them of the one member of their family who didn’t screw up”. A co-worker said white males (dems and repubs) are pushing him on because “they’d rather see anybody as President rather than Hilary because with Hilary as President and Pelosi as speaker of the House, #3 in the line of power, women would be running the country”. My wife said she hopes white people really love him but doubts it and if he wins she hopes they end up regretting it. My 22 y/o daughter, representing Black youth, doesn’t like to bring up the “slavery thing” because she’s “ashamed that such a stupid and weak group of people (whites) were able to conquer the whole world” and foresees an unmerciful punishment in their future. My sister in law said, “they love him now, wait til they meet his wife.” I think Mr. Muwakkil just made this whole thing up, Black folks don’t really care what white people think, about Obama or too much of anything else.
____________________________________Wow, you seriously shouldnt have posted those quotes from your family members. It pretty much proves that everyone in your family is probably borderline retarded. Your wife is the the worst. What a dumb comment! Why would she hope they “regeret” voting for him. Does anyone in family even remotely care to try to improve race relations in this country? Your daughter is dumb too! omg! Whites are dumb? Lets stop with the generalizations. If you want white people to stop sterotyping black people then you must also do your part in not stereotyping and villainizing whites.
Your family is doing nothing in the fight against racism. If anything they are perpetuating it and making it stronger. Send your daughter to college maybe someone will help open her mind!
Posted by maximus07 on Feb 5, 2007 at 8:45 PM I’m glad Obama has taken such a prominent place on the political stage for several reasons.
One, although he’s descended from a black African and a white American, he’s not really “African-American” in the usual sense of the phrase. Maybe it’ll help a few encrusted minds to break out of the racialist paradigm the country is endlessly stuck in. Like it or not, we’re all in one boat. He comes across as understanding that.
Two, he may actually be intelligent/educated enough to get the sense of his possibly iconic role in modern politics, and (I hope) smart enough to not allow that fact to become too important in his future campaigns. Several of his personal attributes make him stand out from the crowd, and to be the object of inordinate hopefulness and admiration. I don’t envy him this, because the further he goes, the more unreasonable expectations he’ll have to cope with, from some blacks who will want to lay a hook in him because of his black ancestry, and from many whites who will want him to cozy up to them because of his perceived lack of exclusivity against whites. It’ll be something like “he’s our guy, and our guy needs to/had better do this for us”, with the “this” being a policy that benefits that narrow group to the exclusion of others. Obama comes off as being too smart to pander too much to these groups, which means he’ll probably disappoint both of them at times, to the betterment of everyone else.
Three, he’s not anti-business insofar as I can tell. I certainly hope he or anyone in power has strict standards about ethics, in business or in politics (or in life-at-large), but I’m not aware that he has a prejudice against those who know how to make a profit (ethically, I emphasize again). Personally, I think it’s good for any society to be the kind of environment where creativity, discipline, and energy can translate into personal prosperity. Obama’s rhetoric at least sounds good, although you all in Illinois would know more about that.
I do have a few hesitations, but none of them terminal. He’s quite young, for one thing, and hasn’t even completed one term as Senator. I’d like to get a greater sense of him as a voting legislator, find out who he really is in action. It might be better somehow if he waited until 2012 to run for Prez, but even if he didn’t win it might not impair him too much. Reagan ran and didn’t even get the Rep nomination in the 70s, only to go on to victory in 1980. Maybe Obama can capitalize on suspicion and disaffection that may continue to build up against Bush. And, who knows, maybe in the coming two years also against H. Clinton.
Posted by Kuya on Feb 5, 2007 at 11:20 PM Maximus07....A brief analogy,,,,If you lie about someone or something....long enough , most likely folks will believe the lie...Example....a large percentage of Amerikan, still believe Saddam Hussien had something to do with 9/11 and had WMD,s( both lies )
Now if you are the one lied about...and you stand up and expose the lie...thats not a generalization....thats the truth , and we all know the truth can be painfully blunt...additionally....denial in all it’s complexities can be a bitch....
Now...sir, if you would be so vigilant as too reflect on your statements , you will expose your own lies , distortions and denial complex....hopefully therefore helping to improve , as you have stated....” the fight against racism “…
Condescension and superficial maxims are the “ bar stool “ of bigots…
Posted by Redhorse on Feb 6, 2007 at 12:51 AM I will say this about most white folks....they’re articulate , clean , and very maimstream......but don’t take that as a generalization based on stereotypical beliefs.......
Do ya feel me.............?
Posted by Redhorse on Feb 6, 2007 at 1:05 AM maximus07
omg! you copy/pasted my whole post and completely missed the main point of it, which was “Black folks don’t really care what white people think” about us. The point in quoting some of my relatives, friends and co-workers was to show that while Mr. Muwakkil would have you (white people) believe many Blacks sit around wondering what your opinion of us is, many other Blacks wouldn’t offer a bent rusted penny for your thoughts on the subject. And “Wow”, why are you sooo surprised that some Black people don’t hold white people in high esteem, that some Blacks have a superiority complex and look down on white people the same way some whites consider us less than them. If you didn’t know that, now you know. If you live long enough you’ll learn that it takes all kinds of people to make this world. Also, I’m sure if you asked my wife and daughter why they made those statement they’d give you a logical rationale for the positions they took. Both are in daily contact with white people, own and operate their own businesses and are college graduates.
Posted by theloneous on Feb 6, 2007 at 9:12 AM theloneous - i am glad you wrote “Black folks don’t really care what white people think”. So true! And it is also nice and symmetric (substitue White for black and it remains just as true).
Posted by wolf on Feb 6, 2007 at 9:21 AM Hi theloneous - Fortunately there are people that *do* care what other people think. While some individuals may be constrained by color, i think (hope?) that most are not. In some communities, it is the ideas that matter, not the color of the person espousing them.
I find racism to be a sad fact of life. Regardless of who holds it dear. I rather doubt i would feel comfortable in your household, given the attitudes expressed by your family.
Posted by wolf on Feb 6, 2007 at 11:20 AM Lone Wolf, race is a fact of life. Racism is just a term. Stay with your own kind, bro and there will be less trouble.
Posted by blondemike on Feb 6, 2007 at 5:45 PM But crossing lines is more interesting, more fun, more intellectually and emotionally stimulating.
Luckily for me, if I want to get the multiracial experience, all I have to do is hang with the family. We got more than a double-handful of ethnicities among the various branches, and I’m proud and blessed that my kids grew up in a family like that.
The secret is giving a damn about each other. No matter who’s running for what office, or what big plan they might have to bring about “racial” harmony, in the absence of the caring that comes from identifying that different-looking chap on the bus as a neighbor, a countryman (perhaps a cousin, if you’re willing to check out the genetics of it all), a fellow human whose well-being is contributory to your own, nothing better will occur. Ever. It’ll continue to be the same ol’ fucked up, “us v. them”, disaffected, “gotta take care of my own” delusional blathering.
More dehumanizations, more abuses and victimizations, more willful ignorance about our true nature. Who needs it?
Posted by Kuya on Feb 9, 2007 at 12:59 AM Thanks, Kuya, I always appreciate you’re thoughtful remarks.
Posted by blondemike on Feb 9, 2007 at 12:59 PM theloneous
thanks for your response.
Im not saying that black people should hold white people in high esteem and I know there are black people that dont care what white people think and vice versa. What Im saying is that people should rid themselves of stereotypes and generalizations about other races because it doesnt do any good. Oh well.
Posted by maximus07 on Feb 10, 2007 at 4:18 PM Well theloneous...Unfortunately , now that Obama has anounced his candidacy… we will have to endure many more of these asiduously asinine curious “ Chuckie “ scenarios......
Does he eat pigs feet....?
Has he ever sleep with a white woman...?
Can he dance..?.
The mainstream press is already trying to push the false perception that the black community doesn’t think he’s black enough...like blacks folks with all our internal diversity can’t see thru that bull…
On this ITT site...Hardesty( aka BM ) has already played that race baiting bullshit...now he trys to act like mister solidarity with his fake response to Kuya...please Hardhead Hardesty play that soft soap act at your next Aryan Power rally........
The more I hear this guy Obama speak...the more I like…
Posted by Redhorse on Feb 11, 2007 at 8:01 PM The main thing about his candidacy that makes him so strong...is the fact that a large portion of his voting block will come from the 18 to 35 demographic...a large part of this population could give a rats ass about simple-minded generalities…
So the fact is main stream white bread Amerika...with all it’s history of racist sterotypical hang-ups , skisms and bigotry...can vote for any freakin’ body they want too....and Obama could still win....
At this point...Hillarys money is the main problem...the rumors is that “ Slick Willy “ has already bought the nomination for his wife…
Posted by Redhorse on Feb 11, 2007 at 8:16 PM Also on a more personal level....I think in some way I’m beginning to personally identify with his personal story....As a black kid growing up and being sent to all white Catholic schools...I can clearly imagine and remember some of the nasty little racist comments and remarks adult whites of that era ( late 60’s early 70’s ), can throw at a young black kid...especially when the parents back is turned....He’s weathered these storms before...so if anything , he’s really just an old soldier...been there before, and not afraid to go back if thats what has to be done.........true.
So with a solid black vote...plus a large smathering of the cross cultural 18 to 35 demo group....this guy could win.
We got to be on the lookout for the ol’ switch the vote , that has been so successful for the neo-con....don’t be surprized if the Billary trys the same thing....
Posted by Redhorse on Feb 11, 2007 at 8:42 PM Redhorse, you are a nasty old black racist who feels sorry for his sad ass 99% of the time and who lies about “white racism” 99% of the time. The solid black vote means less every year, and the 18-35 group is quite conservative to the extent they vote and largely they don’t. Obama is staying very clear of folks like you and IF he gets elected it will be because of whites like me. I never race-baited but only gave solid truths about the horrendous black crime rate and the deepening sociopathology of the black culture in its predominant MoFo form. Buddy, you can’t handle the truth even though you have been a privileged member of the DC black middle class all of your sad racist life.
Posted by blondemike on Feb 12, 2007 at 11:33 AM Actually , for someone with such an obviously underdeveloped psyche...it’s actually funny to hear you rant about “ socio-pathology “....Hardesty has advocated for the surgical sterilization of teenage girls( maybe you get your wish in Texas with that filthy vaccination law...thats the Hardesty brand of social-pathology )…
You remind the Redhorse of Bush and all his superficial bullshit about “ Islamofacism “...Anyway Hardesty....you live to scapegoat your insecurities onto others...which for a supposedly grown man in his 60’s...is indeed quite childish…
The sun is setting on your petty nero-minded generalities ol’boy....take it like a man...you had your chance to make a difference , and blew it because you are a coward…
So now the only way you can get your thrills is to take shots at what you can’t have back...and that my foolish little troll is the past that you squandered....
Hindsight can be a bitch.....true.?
Posted by Redhorse on Feb 12, 2007 at 4:01 PM Redhorse, what the fuck are you babbling about ? I can’t make any sense out of you’re wordsalads above. Are you calling me a coon again ? Are you referring to cartoons ? I have to decline you’re offer to suck my big white wiener............................
Posted by blondemike on Feb 12, 2007 at 6:56 PM It’s “you’re” when referring to singular, I’m not little, I’m very big and I’m not scared.
Posted by blondemike on Feb 12, 2007 at 7:51 PM My edit function is not working....
You’re scare Hardesty....scare out of your mind....
Additionally....” I have to decline you’re offer to suck my white wiener......” Hardesty....so one must assume that this desire YOU have for some kind of CLOSETED...homosexual gratification , is an additional manifestation of your denial complex....based in your FEAR of a truthful acknowledgement of your true sexual orientation....
Look Hardesty....your queer sexuality is none of my concern....there are pretty of GAY personals where you can act out that particular kind of behavior...just make sure you practice safe sex…
Is Nina aware or is she just a shill , for your closeted lifestyle....BlueBoy....?.
Posted by Redhorse on Feb 12, 2007 at 9:33 PM ................there are plenty of Gay personals where you can act out............etc.
Damn edit function.............
Posted by Redhorse on Feb 12, 2007 at 9:44 PM “Many blacks wonder if mainstream whites love Obama because of his lack of history as a slave, which elicits no feelings of historical guilt.”
A great line, and oh how true. How many nights has my lilly arse tossed in bed worrying about the plight of the poor negro who’s slavery ended just a few short 140 years ago. That’s how many generations? I’ve asked around, but nobody seems to know anybody who was a slave so I could appologize for the actions of my ancestors who fled Europe in the 1800’s one step ahead of starvation and “impressment” into one of Europe’s many warring armies. I’m sure if my ancestors had moved to the south rather than the west they would have supported the insttitution of slavery. And since they might have done this, they therefore owe a debt of shame and possibly reparations to all persons of color who are not red.
But then it occurred to that thanks to the great eugenics experiment that was underway until the 1860’s blacks now enjoy a place within our nation as the physically dominant members of the species.
Kobe and Shaq really needn’t thank me for their salaries. But if you don’t mind I’ll relieve myself of the guilt and credit applicable to dead melanin challenged members of the species and take responsibility for just my own actions in this world. Is it ok if I vote for or against Obama based on his views about Iraq or justice rather than his color?
On the other hand, sorry to all you native Americans on behalf of my direct ancestors. Is that guilt enough.
Posted by gosox on Feb 13, 2007 at 12:55 AM Gosox....The old saying is ....” if you throw a bone into a pack of DOGS...the only one that YELPS is the one that got HIT......”
Obviously you have some deep problems with race and class in Amerika...and so typical of many ignorant white folks , you for some strange and unfathomable reason believe mentioning the salaries of Shaq or Kobe , justify your morbidly daft assumptions…
Believe me when I say that Redhorse not only could give a rats ass whether you like or respect Obama...or understand the complex history of race and class in Amerika , in opposition to education / earning potential…
What I find so interseting is your willingness to express these lumpen ideologies , that have apparently been stagnating your pee-brain cesspool of a mind for qiute sometime now… in a manner that only highlights the original theme of the author....
You are what you attempt to mock…
Your response affirms the theories of the author…
Posted by Redhorse on Feb 13, 2007 at 5:31 AM Interesting that you made no mention of the disproportionate salaries of your corporate bosses....I’m sure you believe these over-payed white males have earned there salaries..........................true dumbass.
Posted by Redhorse on Feb 13, 2007 at 5:39 AM Possibly a name change....instead of gosox....maybe dirtysox....?
Moron.....
Posted by Redhorse on Feb 13, 2007 at 5:42 AM Redhorse, with AIDS rampant in the black community is it really wise to libel me as “queer” ? You know I’d put your sorry blackass down like a dog if you dared to tell me this in person. You are a physical coward and a lowlife which is why the lumpen members of your tribe always attack in rat packs. Now I do not hold your homosexuality against you, horse, if that is in fact your orientation. But watch your mouth. Gosox, you are largely right, we owe nothing as a collective to blacks or Latins or Jews or whites or anyone. Slavery was terrible and blacks should also blame the BLACK SELLERS as well as the white buyers. Every black in the USA should be thanking the slavetraders that they are not in present day Africa living under cannibals like Mugabe, etc. Every black country has turned into a total shithole including Haiti, DC, Oakland, Detroit, St. Louis, Atlanta, you name it. There are some decent blacks and I applaud them as much as I condemn the white left self-haters. Redhorse is a nasty old black hater who cheers when ratpacks mug old white ladies. He’s the reason Obama won’t be getting elected. Horse can’t even SPELL “quite” among many other illiteracies. Ignore his sorry ad hominems. You are right to mention the grossly overinflated salaries of black no talent “artists” and “performers.” Blacks do excel in basketball and poverty, give credit where credit is due.
Posted by blondemike on Feb 13, 2007 at 11:25 AM Hardesty.....AIDS is a fake disease...another sick scheme created by greedy drug companies to make money off of others suffering.....
You won’t do shit faggot...you were the one asking for a blow from another man...typical WHITE TRASH nonsense..............
White people terrorize the planet...and blame others for their bullshit...you got the act down pretty good...be a man Hardesty....stop blaming black folks for white crime and dysfunctionality....
Posted by Redhorse on Feb 13, 2007 at 3:41 PM “white crime and dysfunctionality” !!!!! Coming from a race, black, that commits half of all serious crime with 12% of the population and the fastest growing AIDS case rate, that is rich ! I said you COULDN’T suck my big white wiener, not asked for it. Can’t you read any straighter than you can think ? You know damn well you wouldn’t talk trash to me in person, you blackass be huggin’ the floor. We Maryland boys never took shit from you DC jailbirds. So the CIA invented AIDS, eh ? Buchanan said people like you were communist black trash. Put yo’ (David) Dukes up, punk.
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