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BlueButterfly
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Let's get back to basics here. The goal here is to basically, make other people be nice to their own people and keep them from getting WMD's and blowing up themselves and the rest of the world, without going to war constantly because going to war could, ultimately cause us to blow ourselves up and possibly (probably) the rest of the world anyway, right? In the case of the Iraqui's, sanctions didn't work for two reasons. The sanctions were targeting the wrong people or things and, after the misery the sactions imposed FINALLY made it up the ladder to where they …
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I was basing my "Be Nice" comments on this statement in the article: sanctions seem the only viable means of deterring regimes that seek nuclear weapons or engage in gross human rights violations. And addressing sanctions vs. war in general for achieving the above goals, using the Iraqi situation as an example, as the article was. You wrote: the sanctions were purely to destroy a people and a country we were always intending to steal. This is a very valid point, and perhaps I do need to "wake up" as you say, but I think you are generalizing when you say …
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Graeme- If the sanctions worked so quickly, why were they still going on eight years after they began? Is it because we changed our goals from disarming Hussein to dethroning him? You say - "he destroyed all of his usable WMD stock within a few months of the 1991 war, as the UN quickly discovered. " Why didn't anyone tell us? This writer says: "Hussein was so intent on deceiving the weapons inspectors that he refused to acknowledge he had been disarmed" And from what this article states, the sanctions had gone on eight years before Sadam began to comply, but …
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"This is why I disagree so strenuously with this statement: " You seem to be disagreeing so strenuosly you are contradicting yourself. First you say that the sanctions worked quickly and now you say, "They weren’t “viable” in Iraq because as noted above they didn’t succeed in disarming Hussein (or succeeded very quickly and then were left in place anyway, as disarming him clearly was never their real goal)" From what I am reading here tonight, they did succeed but he lied about not having them AND the US decided they wanted him out, (the goal was changed in midstream) so …
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“I’m sitting on half of the world’s proven oil supplies (a tremendous source of global power and wealth) and I’m essentially defenseless! ROTFL! Yes, that thought had occurred to me, but I hadn't quite formulated it to that extent. LOL! "It’s like asking whether you want to be executed with a bullet to the head or starved to death over several days. My argument is that neither are usually necessary, and the kind of sanctions visited upon Iraq never are. There are all kinds of other policy options we should consider (even if we conclude anything has to “be done” about …
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"But again, modeling is important. If the US doesn’t force so-called “rogue” states into corners (you know, calling them evil and so on) they will have less reason to want WMD in the first place. They obviously think they need them to defend themselves against US aggression. No state in the world is ever going to use its one or 2 nukes in a first strike against the US, because no state in the world wants to be wiped off the map by the inevitable response. But having those 1 or 2 may be integral in preventing US invasion, as they …
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Excellent points, dougshaeffer - We are "criminally uneducated" and I think that education within the US is the key...
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Oh, and we (the US) could stand a "regieme change" as well! ;-)
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Graeme - I know your quote was in relation to another matter, and I wasn't trying to make light of what you are saying. I just thought it was appropriate for the idea of asking the US to disarm itself as well. " but as I hope I’ve shown here a far more important focus for us should be controlling our own leaders (and those they control) than to worry about the fanciful machinations of the evil incarnate “other;” as someone said above, most of the time the enemy is us." You have and you are right.... " As far as …
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"If we in the left could be the “al-Qaeda of peace” (a global peace network) perhaps things would really start to change. " Where do I sign up?
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Thanks, Graeme...I'll look into these things! :-) My learning is just beginning, and I seem to learn best through talking with others...
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Thank you dougshaeffer- I agree with this as well... bin laden was and is an ally of our regime. the attacks on the u.s. were directed by dick cheney. read mike ruppert’s crossing the rubicon and see if you can still hold the same opinion about bin laden. we have to get out of the false paradigm of us and them to see more clearly what is going on. follow the money. war profiteers, record profits for oil co’s while oil runs out. it is the desperate ruthless end of empire.
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