Welcome to Interviews for Resistance. Since election night 2016, the streets of the United States have rung with resistance. People all over the country have woken up with the conviction that they must do something to fight inequality in all its forms. But many are wondering what it is they can do. In this series, we’ll be talking with experienced organizers, troublemakers and thinkers who have been doing the hard work of fighting for a long time. They’ll be sharing their insights on what works, what doesn’t, what has changed and what is still the same.
Bruce Darling: I am Bruce Darling. I am an organizer with ADAPT. We are a group of disabled folks from around the country who work to fight to have disabled people not forced into institutions, and we defend freedom for those who are out in the community.
Sarah Jaffe: ADAPT has done a couple of pretty dramatic direct actions around the Republican healthcare proposal. I understand you were a part of the one that went on in Washington, D.C. Can you tell us a little bit about it?
Bruce: Basically, there was a group of almost 60 of us who made the trek to Washington, D.C. with the intent of letting Congress know exactly how bad this bill is and that disabled Americans are not going to just accept it. We felt that, in part, they were targeting Medicaid and the services and supports we need because they think that we are not politically active and that they can basically get away with it. We wanted to send a message that was not the case. We went to Mitch McConnell’s office, and a group of folks went into the office. A bunch of us could not fit in at that point, so folks got out of their wheelchairs. Everyone got on the ground who could and we were basically dragged out by the Capitol Police.
Sarah: Those photos and videos really got a lot of response. People were saying that the police dragging people out of their wheelchairs is an impressive visual demonstration of what this healthcare bill would do.
Bruce: Exactly. Under this bill, disabled Americans will die. Others will be forced into institutions and increase this terrible feedback loop, because institutions are more expensive. With capped funds it will drive more money to the institutions, making less money available for healthcare, services and supports in the community, so more folks will die and go into institutions. We wanted people to see it is the equivalent of basically being dragged off. The way they saw it on the news, that is actually what happens, even now with the Medicaid program as it is. This will just make it far, far, far worse.
Sarah: Medicaid is the main way that home healthcare is funded. That is the main thing that allows people to stay at home and not be put in an institution.
Bruce: Right, and we wanted to highlight that by using language that we thought, or hoped, Republicans would understand. There isn’t an asterisk on the Constitution that says “except disabled Americans.” We should have a birthright of life and liberty. Medicaid is the thing that actually pays for and supports our lives and our liberty in the community. So cutting that is actually cutting the lives and liberty of disabled Americans. It is killing disabled Americans. We really wanted to drive that point home.
Sarah: Can you talk a little bit more about the specific services that Medicaid funds that would be decimated by this bill?
Bruce: The wheelchairs that people need to move around. The ventilators and feeding tubes that people use for breathing, eating and nutrition. The assistance — whether it is home health aides or personal care attendants — the people who come into our homes and help us in and out of bed, help us into the bathroom. They do our most personal care. They allow us to live.
Then, on top of that, the medications and medical care that we rely on. Those things will be cut at the state level, where they make these decisions. We don’t fare so well when that happens. Basically, we see now how people who go without assistance will get secondary conditions, and they will either end up in an institution or, in some cases, die. We watch that happen now, and we just can’t sit back and let that happen to any more of our people.
Sarah: Talk a little bit about the history of ADAPT and the history of the independent living movement, the organizing and activism that made this funding and consideration happen in the first place.
Bruce: ADAPT actually began as — and I am old enough to have been involved in that fight — the fight for lifts on buses. It is really interesting when you talk to young people now. They think, “Wow! Lifts on buses. Duh. Of course they have lifts.” But back in the day, back in the 1980s, this was a controversial topic. People argued whether or not there should be lifts on buses and whether disabled people should have access to public transit and “Do we need a special, separate system so that we weren’t mixed in with the general population?”
What we found was people were being denied the basic things that they needed to live their lives. They had to schedule their transportation well in advance. Certain people were like, “My aunt didn’t plan to die fourteen days ahead of time. I need a way to get to her funeral.” That kind of basic thing is what we were working back in the mid-1980s. With that achieved, this part of the Americans with Disabilities Act, which was tied to the historic crawl up the steps [of the U.S. Capitol demanding passage of the Americans with Disabilities Act], ADAPT looked at what the next level issue was, and it was community integration.
We have been fighting that fight now for around twenty-seven years. You would think, honestly, it seems like it should be a no-brainer. Should disabled people be allowed to live in the community? Well, yes, of course. But, we have a lot of people who make money on the fact that we are locked up in institutions, and those people make contributions. It has been a real tough road for us to get that issue through to people.
Sarah: In addition to the action in Washington, D.C., there was a sit-in in Sen. Cory Gardner’s office in Colorado. What are some other actions that ADAPT have been involved in leading up to this healthcare bill?
Bruce: We were arrested in the Capitol Rotunda, back earlier in the process. This has been named “The Summer of ADAPT” because we have been arrested so many times and in so many different places that our heads are spinning from keeping track of all of the court dates and the fines and the processing. Then, earlier in the year, we did a national action and highlighted these issues in the White House where we were arrested, as well.
We have taken our message about community integration everywhere we can, to say, “These cuts to Medicaid will just reinforce the system that forces us into institutions and kills us.” We even went to Ivanka Trump’s house. It was a women-run, women-only national action. Basically, what we did was, while we were being processed out of the White House, the women went first and were processed out and the cops said, “Oh, that is nice. They are being put in vans to be taken back to the hotel.” What they didn’t know was we were sending them on to Ivanka Trump’s house to carry a message there.
Sarah: Was Ivanka home?
Bruce: Actually, their son was, and that was really actually kind of cool, because I got a bunch of text messages from folks saying, “The son is waving at us!” Everyone was really excited, and the response from everyone in the street was very sweet. The energy of that group could only have been because a group of women got together and did this. They did a great job in terms of engaging the child who was very excited to see them. But Ivanka was not willing to talk to them.
Sarah: That is disappointing.
Bruce: It really is, because the issue that we are fighting is a women’s issue, really, when you think about it. Women are the informal caregivers, they are the formal caregivers. By and large, they are the folks who end up in nursing facilities. We are fighting for the rights of women to live free.
Sarah: Congress is on its July 4th recess while we are talking. What are the next steps? What actions do you have coming up? That you can tell us about, of course.
Bruce: We are protesting everywhere. It is incredible to watch. We have had protests from Fairbanks, Alaska to Orlando, Florida to Portland, Maine. Right now, as we speak [Wednesday, July 5], there is a group of people protesting in Senator Flake’s office in Phoenix. It seems like, at this point, they are preparing to go to arrest there. The message is: They are not leaving until they get a “no” vote. Which is what happened in Portland, Maine. One of the things people should know is, when Senator Collins said, or her staff said, “No is no,” when, they had a no vote, the protesters essentially celebrated their victory and left. Cory Gardner, on the other hand, wouldn’t actually engage the disabled protestors, so they ended up staying days in his office and then ended up being arrested. We are willing to put our bodies on the line, because our lives and liberty are.
Sarah: Other than Susan Collins, have any other Senators engaged with you or had any sort of useful dialogue with you?
Bruce: We have…No. [laughs] We have reached out. We have tried.
Even the lack of dialogue, however, has been useful. It is raising the consciousness of folks that this is an attack on Medicaid. It has been lost in the rhetoric about Obamacare and all of that, which is in and of itself atrocious; but then, no one had been talking about these attacks on Medicaid. Word has gotten out to folks that this is cutting the basic supports that disabled Americans need to live, that elderly Americans need. People are pretty appalled by that. Even some ardent Trump voters have said, “That is not what I voted for.” We are hopeful about the protests.
Sarah: How can people keep up with ADAPT and with you?
Bruce: Follow us on Twitter. We are @NationalADAPT. We have the website www.adapt.org. The hashtag that we are using is #adaptandresist. You can see up-to-the-minute information from folks about protests happening all over the country. This is going to be a busy week for us, so it is a good time to follow.
I am @ADAPTerBruce. That is how you can follow me.
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